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Title: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 28, 2015, 10:55:32 PM
Some highlights an lowlights

BMC Pure DAC > MicroZOTL > HEK

Low Zout or not, this amp doesn't get along with low Z, low efficiencyz planar magnetics.  I'm not really a tube guy, but it sounds like it's pushing those 6SN7s too hard and it's pretty audible.  Even at medium volumes swapping in my O2 resulted in better clarity and detail.  At Anax approved listening levels the MicroZOTL turned cymbal crashes into bursts of static.

On the plus size it took a bit of the edge and splash off the HEK's treble.  That's basically the audio equivalent of napalming you lawn to get rid of dandelions though.

Should have tried my HD650s with it to see how it handled high Z loads but I didn't think of it at the time.

Modi 2U > Magni 2U > DT880 Pro 250

Why does Beyer sell the T1 again?  Let me rephrase that.  How does Beyer sell the T1 at all.  I guess it has better forward projection to its soundstage.  That's about the only thing I remember being better.

Peachtree USB/SPDIF converter > Enagmatic Audio Design DAC > Violectric V281 > Balanced ZMF Omni w/ cowhide pads

Favorite T50RP mod that I've heard.  Better than any of mine, Claritas's  Paradox, or the Alpha Primes.  Even FR, deep bass, and fantastic control of the T50RP's upper mid/lower treble dip.

Fidelio X2 from my Clip ZIP and UHA-4

Smooth and a bit dark.  Laid back.  Bass seemed pretty deep for being (mostly?) open.  Not for detail whoring, but getting lost in the music.

Keithpgdrb's Airbow SC-1 on my Scarlett 2i2 > SRM-T1S

This is an allegedly cryo-treated SR-404 Lambda Signature.  I have no clue if that's even true or what the cryo treatment is supposed to encompass, the cable, the driver, or both.  Cryo treating the cable would be useless but may just possibly do something to the driver.  There weren't any 404 Signatures around to compare it to but I did have my modded Lambda normal bias, modded SR-202, and stock SR-207.

The Airbow better than both my modern Lambdas and just a hair behind my normal bias.  The Airbow had much smoother treble than the modern Lambdas with almost none of the Stax 'etch'.  It sounded a tiny bit plasticy compared to my normal bias, most likely because of it's pleather pads as compared to the Ultrasuede ones I made for my normal bias.  I think the Airbow would have pulled ahead after pad rolling.

I've got no clue if the cryo treatment of the drivers helped, normal 404s just sound that way, if they just have cherry picked drivers, or if something else is modded, but they are a very nice pair of Lambdas.

FraGGleR's Kenwood KH-1000 w/ Alpha Dog pads on my Clip Zip > UHA-4

Out of production Japanese market closed headphone.  Very comfy.  A bit closed in and hollow sounding, but not too bad.  A little bit dark, high treble shelved a bit.  Descent size soundstage for a closed can.  A small sharp ringing in the treble that's only really noticeable on high hats, chimes, and bells.  Decent clarity and resolution.  Over all a very pleasant surprise and nice for a closed can.  Too bad they're no longer produced.

Questyle CAS192 DAC > DNA Stratus > Balanced HD800

Pleasantly surprised.  I don't usually like tubes any more unless they're the output stage on a 'stat amp.  Good clarity and separation.  Takes a bit of the HD800's edge off, but not enough for my to like it better than the HD650.  Switching the HD800 to a single ended cable and running it from my 2i2 > O2 provided better clarity, especially in the treble, but the lower Z out brought out the HD800's treble sharpness even further.

LH Verb

Won this in the raffle.  Claritas told me that there's been some big kerfuffle about these that I seemed to have missed while I was away from the forums and that I should listen to them without looking up any of that first.  So far I haven't had time to do anything with them but decide on a pair of tips.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 29, 2015, 12:09:21 PM
Keithpgdrb's Airbow SC-1 on my Scarlett 2i2 > SRM-T1S

This is an allegedly cryo-treated SR-404 Lambda Signature.  I have no clue if that's even true or what the cryo treatment is supposed to encompass, the cable, the driver, or both.  Cryo treating the cable would be useless but may just possibly do something to the driver.  There weren't any 404 Signatures around to compare it to but I did have my modded Lambda normal bias, modded SR-202, and stock SR-207.

The Airbow better than both my modern Lambdas and just a hair behind my normal bias.  The Airbow had much smoother treble than the modern Lambdas with almost none of the Stax 'etch'.  It sounded a tiny bit plasticy compared to my normal bias, most likely because of it's pleather pads as compared to the Ultrasuede ones I made for my normal bias.  I think the Airbow would have pulled ahead after pad rolling.

I've got no clue if the cryo treatment of the drivers helped, normal 404s just sound that way, if they just have cherry picked drivers, or if something else is modded, but they are a very nice pair of Lambdas.

Thks Sir.

I'm in love with my Lambda NB as well and I owned the SR404 that's significantly inferior in my opinion. You feelings about the Airbon are even more interesting for me. 

Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 29, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
Thks Sir.

I'm in love with my Lambda NB as well and I owned the SR404 that's significantly inferior in my opinion. You feelings about the Airbon are even more interesting for me. 

The Airbow SC-1 was a pleasant surprise.  I'd heard that the 404 had a bad case of the Stax etch and I'm skeptical, to say the least, about semi-magical tweaks such as cryo-treatments but they sounded quite good.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 29, 2015, 02:10:13 PM
IMO the 404 etch is not so bothersome ( less that a SR307 I compared directly for example) . What was more problematic for me with the 404 was the midrange shout.



Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 29, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
IMO the 404 etch is not so bothersome ( less that a SR307 I compared directly for example) . What was more problematic for me with the 404 was the midrange shout.

Hmm...Didn't notice that but I wasn't really listening for it since it's not something that usually bothers me.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Claritas on June 30, 2015, 05:12:31 AM
Dunu Titan

It has a generally neutral sound with moderate bass elevation. Fortunately, the treble is completely inoffensive without being shelved. (One of us thought it was splashy, but that was at a higher volume, so take that into account.) The soundstage is somewhat closed in, compared with RE400.  Major caveat: the angled nozzles necessitate straight down wear, unless reversing the channels doesn't matter for your music. That's pretty retarded. Still, overall, it's a good alternative if you're looking for a neutralish IEM in the $80-100 range.

ZMF Omni

It has the most neutral frequency response of the ZMF product line but retains the generally warm-toned ZMF sound. The soundstage is cohesive and well-proportioned: very natural. It reminds me of the Theta DACs I've heard. One minor quibble is that with large ensembles such as a full orchestra, the soundstage sounded slightly congested only in a small area at the very center.

AKG / Massdrop K7XX

I didn't believe the good press about this--but maybe I should've, because it was a pleasant surprise: the only recent AKG that I actually like. Kudos to AKG and Massdrop (now I'm curious to know the backstory). It's still cool-toned, but they fixed the uneven upper mids / lower treble instead of just masking it as they did with K712. Soundstage is set closer than HD600 but is gapless in comparison. Acix should get a pair and hear what he's been missing all these years.

Stax SR207 and Mav’s modded Stax

Stock is a hard experience: it's bassless and screechy at the same time. But Mav's mods are quite different and it's immediately noticeable. Suddenly, you're listening to a Stax with bass presence, tamer treble, and a much deeper soundstage. Nice work!

Questyle CAS192D, DNA Stratus, HD800

Several people here call this amp "euphonic," but it's euphonic only relative to even less-colored tube amps. There's more than just a bare touch of warmth, but it's nowhere near lush. That's a very fine experience, but it doesn't touch my heart the way even my cheap Darkvoice or some Woos do; not to be used with HD800, of course. Marv, told ya I like "tubes done wrong." :-*

Gear used: Caiman II + Corda Classic for full size, iPod 5.5 + Leck for IEMs
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 30, 2015, 05:26:19 AM
It has the most neutral frequency response of the ZMF product line but retains the generally warm-toned ZMF sound. The soundstage is cohesive and well-proportioned: very natural. It reminds me of the Theta DACs I've heard. One minor quibble is that with large ensembles such as a full orchestra, the soundstage sounded slightly congested only in a small area at the very center.

Wow, good to know others feel the same way. Excited to hear them again.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 30, 2015, 05:28:35 AM
Omni is very noteworthy. Semi-open cups, and you do get that sound that you hear from the open headphones. I hope Zach does well with them.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Claritas on June 30, 2015, 05:33:47 AM
Wow, good to know others feel the same way. Excited to hear them again.

Yeah, at some point when I was listening to them I really was thinking, "Oh, I see why OJ liked them more than Blackwood."
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 30, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
Stax SR207 and Mav’s modded Stax

Stock is a hard experience: it's bassless and screechy at the same time. But Mav's mods are quite different and it's immediately noticeable. Suddenly, you're listening to a Stax with bass presence, tamer treble, and a much deeper soundstage. Nice work!

TY.  Always good to hear I'm not crazy.

Also, in retrospect I should have spent more time playing with the crossfeed settings on you Classic.  It always seems like there's never enough time at these things, right?
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 30, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
@Mav : what mods did you make on your 207 ?
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 30, 2015, 02:37:03 PM
@Mav : what mods did you make on your 207 ?

The 207 is stock.  Eventually I'm planning to make it into a DIY 4070 but for now only my 202 and normal bias are modded.

Both the 202 and NB have custom pads I made from Ultrasuede (a brand of microfiber synthetic suede) and memory foam.  The NB has some extra damping behind the drivers, a sandwich of Creatology craft felt with fiberglass in the middle, and strips of Creatology craft foam and felt (inspired by Tyll's version of the Anax mod) around the inset in the baffle.

I also made a custom headband/pad for the NB from Ultrasuede and memory foam, but that's just for comfort.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: AustinValentine on June 30, 2015, 03:15:58 PM
Chicago Meet Impressions:

Disclaimer: the day before showing up to the meet, I had to do three consecutive trips back-to-back from Chicago to Waterford, MI nearly non-stop. My wife left vital time sensitive, work-related materials she could not do without. By the time I got to the meet, I was so tired that I didn’t even set my own rig up. So, these impressions come without use of my own test tracks or immediate access to my own gear for comparisons. That being said, I don't think that anything below is too out of sorts.

Personal Favorite Rig of the Evening: Steve’s Questyle CAS192 > DNA Stratus > HD800s

Probably the best rig I’ve heard thus far for a pair of stock – completely unmodded - HD800s. The combination of Wolfson WM8741 balanced D-S DAC and Stratus with aftermarket tubes was enough to balance out the 800’s treble without completely screwing up the rest of its positive characteristics (resolution, imaging, dynamics, etc. etc). The DAC is probably the weak link in that chain – but it’s no secret that I’m a bit of a WM8741 fanboy as my favorite D-S DACs are the Gamma2, Mousai192 (a rebranded Questyle mini), and Audio G-D’s Wolfson implementations. If I have any quibbles, it might be that something in the chain was causing it to come up short in the resolution department. I didn’t have my own test tracks though, so I can’t confirm.

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ZMF’s Omni Demos from Gen Va > Decaware & EAD > V281

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TLDR: If you’re in the market for a new planar magnetic headphone, including the Ether and HE-1000, you should give the Omni a try as well. It’s a damn good headphone.

Maverick Ronin’s Stax Setup (Focusrite 2i2 > Stax SRM-252S > Modded Lambda Normal Bias, SR207)

I have next to no experience with electrostatic headphones. That being said, I did get the chance to hear Keith’s (I think it was his) unmodded Lambda and compare it to Maverick Ronin’s modded one. I can say this: MR’s modded one was an across the board upgrade. Standout differences: comfort, treble quality, and tonal evenness. Mav’s custom headband and handmade ultrasuede pads made his Lambda of the most comfortable headphones I’ve ever worn.

Test tracks: Bach, Contrapunctus 1; The Strokes, Under Control; Nightwish, Dead Boy’s Poem; Nobuo Uematsu from FF VIII OST; others.

The stock Lambda had incredibly forward, fairly rough treble. Mav’s pseudo-Anax mods brought the treble back in line and dramatically improved its quality. Leveling out the treble had the net effect of also making the mids and bass more present. Female vocals sounded incredible on this setup and I wish I had some Sarah Brightman recordings on hand. Bravo!

Darin Fong’s ‘Out of Your Head’ Software

Next time it’s on Massdrop, I’m going to have to buy it.  I had just gotten done listening to “Money” on Steve’s HD800 rig when I walked over to Keith’s laptop and turned on the demo. Unheimlichkeit. I actually paused the demo and took off the HD600s to double check that I was indeed still wearing HD600s.

Claritas’s Setup (Marantz CDP > Beresford Caiman MKII > Corda something or other > Paradox)

I don’t listen much to classical music on my own. My wife does though, so I was able to find a few pieces in the CD stack that I could use for demo purposes. Claritas’s setup made the Paradox sound expansive and thundering.  I don’t mean that in a bad way – you want “Ride of the Valkyries” to sound thundering and expansive. Brass instruments lacked harshness and sounded well extended. Cymbals had a sharp but realistic leading edge. Percussion in general had the appropriate slam. (Lars Ulrich’s drums on Metallica’s “One” had some pretty powerful slam.) On Siegfried’s Funeral March, string timbre sounded perfect and I was impressed at how well the setup reproduced a wide gradient of volumes. 

What really struck me was how different this rig was from the last setup that Claritas brought out (a Darkforce > AKG K340, I believe). I seem to remember that rig as airy, even wispy, where this one is far fuller and impactful.

Scattered Final Thoughts

-   The Oppo HA-1 is too bright for my tastes. I was a bit disappointed by that because I really like its design and form factor. Unfortunately, it was also what I demoed both the Ether and HE-1000 on. If I had more time, or was less tired, I would have taken them over to another system. Not typing my impressions of the two headphones out because I think they’re ultimately unreliable.

-   Fraggler’s ‘For Sale’ setup: The LH Geek Pulse Xfi With LPS > Balanced HD650 was a really great. It’s probably one of the best Sabre implementations I’ve ever heard. Listening fatigue had already set in so I didn’t jot down any notes while I was at his table.

-   I got a chance to hear a couple more Bottlehead Cracks at the meet. I never fail to be impressed by how well they work with the 6X0 Senns. I really need to get around to making or buying one.

-   The HiFiMan HE-300. No. Not even for $100.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 30, 2015, 03:23:33 PM
@AV : thks for the review. If you're fan of Wolfson 8741, take the first oppoturnity to try a Meier DACCORD. It's moderately priced a 600$ and it definitely worth every of these bucks.. not only for the sound but for features as well.

Glad to see Claritas rig sounds good. I'm a bit responsible for that... I would have been sad if I adviced some bad gear.  :-[

By any chance, do you remember what were the set of tubes of the Stratus you heard ?
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: AustinValentine on June 30, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
@AV : thks for the review. If you're fan of Wolfson 8741 , take the first oppotunity to grab a Meier DACCORD.It's moderately priced a 600$ and it definitely worth every of these bucks.


By any chance, Do you remember what were the set of tubes of the Stratus you heard ?

Thanks! I'll have to check that out.

I'll have to ask Steve again. He told me at the meet but I didn't commit it to memory.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Claritas on June 30, 2015, 03:43:49 PM
Glad to see Claritas rig sounds good. I'm a bit responsible for that... I would have been sad if I adviced some bad gear.  :-[

By any chance, do you remember what were the set of tubes of the Stratus you heard?

More than "a bit."  :money:

They were Shuguang Treasures.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 30, 2015, 05:35:18 PM
Thanks for the impressions guys. Love reading these and I bet of other people do too. Good to know that the Theta Gen Va is now with someone who can appreciate it.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Hands on June 30, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
LOL, is that a jab at me? :P
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 30, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
Not at all. I thought you liked it but preferred the denser tone colors of NOS. Just glad it stayed among pyrates.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Hands on June 30, 2015, 07:30:27 PM
Haha, I figured. I thought it sounded awesome, but, yes, I did ultimately prefer the denser NOS tone and feel. I dunno, just sounds more real to me, especially with drums, vocals, and acoustic guitars for whatever reason. I hadn't entirely planned on keeping the Theta...more just to have something to compare my Model S to for my Model S review. I am saving up for a complimentary DAC to it, like the reDACted, for a down-the-road purchase. :)
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on July 01, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
I bet of other people do too.

Definitely. Those reviews are really insightful . Thanks to take the time.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: FraGGleR on July 01, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Thought I'd follow some fellow Chicago/MW folks over here from HF and post some of my quick impressions as well:

The HEK continues to strike me as the headphone I have been looking for, but with its crazy leakiness, still hard to confirm during meet conditions.  It has a great balance to it, with a lot of what I liked about the HD800 (previous favorite flagship) and HE-6 in it, but with all the edges rounded off a little.  Not as technically wow as the HD800, but what I would give up in ultimate resolution and air, I get back in more tactility and a healthier bottom end.  BUT, I don't think I like it THAT much better than the HD800 to justify over twice the cost.  Perhaps once I get back into flagships, enough will be on the market to get one second hand at a more reasonable price.
 
The Ether is supremely comfortable, but I just don't see the love it is getting.  Not for the price, at least.  I can't say that it does anything wrong, it just doesn't resonate with me.  Oh well, will chalk it up to preference.  I didn't really care for the HE-560 either which is crazy popular as well.
 
Definitely liked the DNA Stratus.  Didn't have my Bottlehead S.E.X. on hand to compare to, but it definitely made my HD650s sound quite lovely. 
 
The ZMF Omni is my new favorite T50RP based headphone, but it is still a planar headphone.  I think I am just a plain old dynamic driver guy. 
 
Finally got to hear a Koss ESP950.  I had read a lot about it, and I have to say I'm a little disappointed.  The build quality is scandalously bad for the price, and the sound just didn't wow me.  I think my HD650 out of a good tube amp sounds much better.  The other Stax models were interesting to listen to, but still not my thing.
 
I am kicking myself that I didn't plug more headphones into my Pulse Xfi + LPS setup, as I am quite enjoying it and wanted to spend more time comparing it to other setups.  I'm pretty sure I liked it better than the Oppo HA-1 with my HD650's, so it would have been smart to see how some of the flagships on hand sounded off the rig.  Will try to bring my Bottlehead S.E.X. next time, as it is a far better amp than the built in one of the Pulse. 

Also, a shout out to Austin for listening to my rig (Pulse Xfi +LPS) and saying something positive about it.  I think maybe it looks too plain for something that sounds as good as it does for the price (at least at early backer pricing) and people kept passing it up or not taking a real listen. 
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: Zach915m on July 01, 2015, 09:19:40 PM
Good to know that the Theta Gen Va is now with someone who can appreciate it.


BOOM! In yo FACE Tyler. lol

J/K - this thing isn't going anywhere.  I LOVE it.  =)  But I also don't have an Audial S to compare to...hmmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: SomeSpace on July 01, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Chicago Meet Impressions:

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These guys have a team in the US. They are represented by Bruce Ball, i met him and Gary and the recent Munich High End, very eccentric guys. They dont seem to have a dealer yet though which may be a problem but they do in Canada, maybe you can just go direct, i dunno, I'm in the UK. Anyhow i have a CMA800R and love it (got a second one on my way) although i dont use their DAC, had some bad experiences with some crappy German branded Chinese WM8741 DAC in the past and am over DS :P
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: DGCFAD on July 02, 2015, 07:00:15 PM
These guys have a team in the US. They are represented by Bruce Ball, i met him and Gary and the recent Munich High End, very eccentric guys. They dont seem to have a dealer yet though which may be a problem but they do in Canada, maybe you can just go direct, i dunno, I'm in the UK. Anyhow i have a CMA800R and love it (got a second one on my way) although i dont use their DAC, had some bad experiences with some crappy German branded Chinese WM8741 DAC in the past and am over DS :P
If you are in the US, you can order a new Questyle CAS192D through headphoneaudiophile.com (http://headphoneaudiophile.com), or contact us at Info_usa@questyleaudio.com for local dealer information or to a demo unit.
Title: Re: Chicago 2015-06-27 Meet Impressions
Post by: audiofrk on August 02, 2015, 05:16:19 PM
Haha, I figured. I thought it sounded awesome, but, yes, I did ultimately prefer the denser NOS tone and feel. I dunno, just sounds more real to me, especially with drums, vocals, and acoustic guitars for whatever reason. I hadn't entirely planned on keeping the Theta...more just to have something to compare my Model S to for my Model S review. I am saving up for a complimentary DAC to it, like the reDACted, for a down-the-road purchase. :)

if there is anyone's dac adventures I envy its yours Hanz.   :)p5 :)p5 :)p5


As for marv's ummmm......... heavy is the head that wears the crown. Don't think I can deal with people whining that I didn't like their dac.  walk the plank