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Lobby => Music and Recordings => Topic started by: Original_Ken on January 11, 2014, 08:40:58 AM
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Relatively new video release from May 1968 in color... arguably the first full 100% metal - two Marshalls, 16 speakers, and nothing diluting the attention to the guitar and its electric tone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PVjcIO4MT4
(the recording from Bologna two weeks later goes further to "heavy metal" - the pace slowed down to allow the guitar to ring out)
Earlier, you had the metal mixed evenly with prog , psychedelic and rock'n'roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi3O8Um2VEY
(although you can certainly make a case for most people being first introduced to "metal showmanship" right there)
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There was no footage on Dick Dale & His Del-Tones? Dick Dale was notorious for always wanting more powerful amplifiers and speakers.
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That Hendrix just literally made my spine tingle. He just oozes musicality from every pore and does it with complete effortlessness.
He's got too much soul for me to make that metal connection though. I always thought of Helter Skelter as a one of the first rudimentary metal songs.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S8SImoLm_UI
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I find Hendrix still more Blues and Rock & Roll.
Agreed, "Helter Skelter" is more Metal for its sound.
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From the same 1967-68 period. God, those were good years for music. I wish I was older at the time to appreciate what was coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/v/pwDo0JUeKqM
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From the same 1967-68 period. God, those were good years for music. I wish I was older at the time to appreciate what was coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/v/pwDo0JUeKqM
hello,
well, i am that old. Cream in Oakland (the Colosseum?) and one year later Blind Faith at the same venue.
then, about a year after that, Van the Man in Berserkly touring in support of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lFxGBB4UGU
the encore was Van blowin' a bari with his band at full tilt!
not metal, but he f*ckin' ROCKED!
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I find Hendrix still more Blues and Rock & Roll.
There were different phases at different times (and, of course, different styles for different songs).
In early 1968, he starts to get more metal. At some point, he starts using two full stacks of Marshalls. By mid-May 1968, as we see in the new video in the OP, IMHO he has reached a point where it is fully metal, rather than just hard rock with feedback.
Then, he goes on a tour in Europe, and by the end of May in Italy, we find this "heavy metal" concert (audio only)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzBagX-CA-E
By the time he plays Winterland in mid-October 1968, he is back to a more balanced prog-rock style (perhaps anticipating the release of Electric Ladyland at the end of that month).
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I didn't realize metal was defined by the number of speakers...
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Think of speakers in measures of loudness. There is something to be said in favour of that analogy...
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I didn't realize metal was defined by the number of speakers...
It's not a factor these days, but in the 60s it was. The demands of the Beatles live concerts caused a change in sound equipment.
Of course in the studio, one has never needed more than one amp and one speaker (and one can even go direct with the right processing equipment).
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I find Hendrix still more Blues and Rock & Roll.
There were different phases at different times (and, of course, different styles for different songs).
In early 1968, he starts to get more metal. At some point, he starts using two full stacks of Marshalls. By mid-May 1968, as we see in the new video in the OP, IMHO he has reached a point where it is fully metal, rather than just hard rock with feedback.
Then, he goes on a tour in Europe, and by the end of May in Italy, we find this "heavy metal" concert (audio only)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzBagX-CA-E
By the time he plays Winterland in mid-October 1968, he is back to a more balanced prog-rock style (perhaps anticipating the release of Electric Ladyland at the end of that month).
I'm not sure I would put that performance under nascent "heavy metal". All I can hear are lots of amplified blues riffs.
I think before you can label something you first have to define what you mean (i.e. "heavy metal"). Then someone else can come along and either agree or disagree with your criteria and then say whether your criteria meets with the examples you give. Otherwise we are playing pin the tail on the musical donkey.
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If there were criteria, then it would be a book instead of music.
BTW, in the show in Italy (Palasport in Bologna), the first song is mostly a warmup.
The audio was created by a Dutch fan, who mixed together three different audience recordings:
1st Source very lightly in the middle.
2nd Source on the left.
3rd source slightly off centre on the right.
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If there were criteria, then it would be a book instead of music.
BTW, in the show in Italy (Palasport in Bologna), the first song is mostly a warmup.
The audio was created by a Dutch fan, who mixed together three different audience recordings:
1st Source very lightly in the middle.
2nd Source on the left.
3rd source slightly off centre on the right.
So you're not even going to try and explain what you mean?
You say "In early 1968, he starts to get more metal." then "By mid-May 1968, as we see in the new video in the OP, IMHO he has reached a point where it is fully metal, rather than just hard rock with feedback."
How? Why?
If you're going to have an opinion, at least share how you arrived at it. Unless you didn't know what you meant yourself?
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I agree with Numbersixx, I don't hear anything particularly metal about those Jimi clips beside the overdriven guitar tone. Helter Skelter is much closer to early metal like Black Sabbath than Jimi is. Hendrix still has the psychedelic blues sound to his playing. No amount of tube amp breakup makes that metal. The driving, bass heavy, distorted sound of the guitars on the Helter Skelter gives it a darker, more menacing sound that just doesn't exist in the Hendrix clips.
Maybe if you are considering the guitar tone and marshal stacks exclusively then it is a precursor to metal, but even then it is a bit of a stretch considering the Beatles did it earlier. Led Zeppelin I was recorded only a few months later and if you are looking for a natural progression towards the metal sound then you have identified the wrong Jimmy.
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This wasn't a doctoral thesis.
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This wasn't a doctoral thesis.
Yes, clearly not, but is it (it being "arguably the first full 100% metal - two Marshalls, 16 speakers") not the crux of the original post and not some throwaway point? If the post were simply, "hey, check out this awesome video of Hendrix with a Marshall stack and array of speakers", then I'm sure most people would enjoy it without questioning your understanding of the metal genre. To simply dismiss Thujone/Numbersixx/Stapsy's reasonable question/confusion with this post is unfortunate.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_j_gwD8aE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_j_gwD8aE)
Deep Purple and Ritchie Blackmore are still not mentioned. This is an old recording of "Mandrake Root" from 1969.
Jimi Hendrix was not the only wonderful guitarist of his age. Think back to Deep Purple, Focus, Pink Floyd and King Crimson...