CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS
Lobby => Headphone, IEM, and Other Audio Related Discussion => Topic started by: Judeus on September 14, 2015, 07:35:23 AM
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Any pyrates hear these? If so mind telling your impressions
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If you check out the newest Innerfidelity.com update you'll find two of our smelliest and most scurvy-plagued talk about among other things the Enigmacoustic Dharma.
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If the expected retail price of the Pioneer is really north of 1000 Euros or Dollars that headphone better be a big improvement on the famous Pioneer Monitor 10-series. The driver and dampening technology combined really gave these headphones an exceptional sound, DJ headphones or not.
Pioneer can make amazing headphones as they have the means and technology. I read a quick review but I want to see an old-versus-new review because I do not trust marketing B.S.
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The retail on the Master1 is actually more like 2500 €. Fucking insulting shit. And for all that money they couldnt even take the time and give the Pioneer SE-Master1 a proper fucking name. Hell they even skipped on the space between 'Master' and '1'. Oh and for those 2500€: XLR cables are not included. Oh no, you'll have to purchase those seperately for another cool 370€. Thats only the price for a brand new HD650 or K712 or 2xDT880s...
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The retail on the Master1 is actually more like 2500 €. Fucking insulting shit. And for all that money they couldnt even take the time and give the Pioneer SE-Master1 a proper fucking name. Hell they even skipped on the space between 'Master' and '1'. Oh and for those 2500€: XLR cables are not included. Oh no, you'll have to purchase those seperately for another cool 370€. Thats only the price for a brand new HD650 or K712 or 2xDT880s...
In that case only two words apply: fuck Pioneer.
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The retail on the Master1 is actually more like 2500 €. Fucking insulting shit. And for all that money they couldnt even take the time and give the Pioneer SE-Master1 a proper fucking name. Hell they even skipped on the space between 'Master' and '1'. Oh and for those 2500€: XLR cables are not included. Oh no, you'll have to purchase those seperately for another cool 370€. Thats only the price for a brand new HD650 or K712 or 2xDT880s...
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/L4qSyYH_Vyc/maxresdefault.jpg)
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um the name is taken from their old high end line in the 80s
Pioneer Master-1S and Master-1G
it incorporates design elements present in the old master line, which was fantastic, and thus the nomenclature makes perfect sense, if a bit atypical in today's market
on a side note I've been counting my pennies and hopefully I'll have enough for one before they're discontinued, if I do manage to get one I'll probably put it on the loaner program and have it measured by everyone
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it incorporates design elements present in the old master line, which was fantastic, and thus the nomenclature makes perfect sense, if a bit atypical in today's market
And I'd be really interested to hear how they sound and see how they measure. But even IF they were better then an HD800 or an LCD-X: I would still think their price to be obscene. And the rest of Pioneers current headphone lineup is not exactly inspiring to say the least...
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See the latest Innerfidelity article and video about Anax's and my thoughts on the Dharma
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Takato, I hope the new Pioneer lives up to its legacy.
The price is ridiculous though.
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This is supposedly the frequency graph for the SE Master 1:
(http://pioneer-headphones.com/japanese/se-master1/common/img/tech_column4_b.jpg)
As supplied by Pioneer.
Bill is not impressed at all.
As for the Dharma, I'd say... it's probably the most coherent hybrid headphone I have heard. The FR is very even and balanced, or so I think. Some weirdness in the treble, but I think the electrostatic driver is working well, so even though it's weird, it's fairly good in terms of fatigue. The main problem comes from when a song that requires fast bass is played. Try Daft Punk's Get Lucky on the Dharma and it starts to fall apart. The bass driver sounds obviously slower than the electrostatic one.
But all that aside, I think the Dharma can be enjoyable with the right music. I think slow acoustic songs are good on it.
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I've seen that graph on HF and I have trouble believing its true. That looks ridiculously unpleasant. Do we know if that graph has been compensated? If so, using what reference curve? And is that really official Pioneer promo material?
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We don't know if that graph has been compensated. I'd guess it's raw measurement of the driver. I've measured Beyerdynamic's older DT770/880/990 line's drivers and they kinda look like that.
Also note the scale. The highest peak is only 5dB above the rest, which is actually LESS than the same peak on some other headphones (HE-560?).
It actually looks like it'll just have less sub bass than other flagships (including the HD800), and slightly more treble than usual.
The reason why I'm saying it's not impressive is because... you can get about the same, and even more pleasant, frequency response and tonal balance with the Sennheiser HD600 in stock form. At $2500, I'd have expected it to be... more than that. Again, that's really about 10 times more than the HD600 when it's on sale, or on the used market. Some early impressions on HF also state that it sounds kinda slow and boomy in the bass, and that it doesn't seem to be transparent, which is troubling for something that's priced about the same as a new SR-007.
Edit: oh, and it is official Pioneer promo material. Here's the source:
http://pioneer-headphones.com/japanese/se-master1/technology/
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We don't know if that graph has been compensated. I'd guess it's raw measurement of the driver. I've measured Beyerdynamic's older DT770/880/990 line's drivers and they kinda look like that.
Also note the scale. The highest peak is only 5dB above the rest, which is actually LESS than the same peak on some other headphones (HE-560?).
It actually looks like it'll just have less sub bass than other flagships (including the HD800), and slightly more treble than usual.
The reason why I'm saying it's not impressive is because... you can get about the same, and even more pleasant, frequency response and tonal balance with the Sennheiser HD600 in stock form. At $2500, I'd have expected it to be... more than that. Again, that's really about 10 times more than the HD600 when it's on sale, or on the used market. Some early impressions on HF also state that it sounds kinda slow and boomy in the bass, and that it doesn't seem to be transparent, which is troubling for something that's priced about the same as a new SR-007.
Edit: oh, and it is official Pioneer promo material. Here's the source:
http://pioneer-headphones.com/japanese/se-master1/technology/
An old versus new review is needed with proper audio set-up, measurements and impressions. Fuck the marketing team.
Pioneer can make the next HD800 killer because they were ahead of their time decades ago. Takato knows this too. Thing is that when the team behind this headphone underestimates the people who know their audio gear all the marketing B.S. is not going to help. Pioneer has this DJ-image, not the high-end audio image.
The graph means nothing. The driver, dampening and construction as a whole with the measurements make the difference. Pick apart an old SE-series or Monitor 10 and you know they knew what they were doing sometimes.
This can be a giant cluster-fuck...