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Non-Audio Stuff => The Geek Cave: Home Theatre, Computers, and More! => Topic started by: Marvey on July 04, 2013, 05:48:04 PM
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I'm not a big anime fan (I think there's some weird-ass term for that), but does Pacific Rim remind anyone of Evangelion?
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If you google the two items together, it seems that the similarities haven't gone unnoticed by the masses. People (nobodies) are even accusing PR to be a ripoff.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Del Toro is an avid anime fan. I'm sure he drew some inspiration from Evangelion for Pacific Rim. He's making a live action adaptation of a manga series with HBO too.
Here's a link if anyone's interested: http://digitaljournal.com/article/349569
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I'm not a big anime fan (I think there's some weird-ass term for that), but does Pacific Rim remind anyone of Evangelion?
I've only seen a little of the marketing and it looks like generic anime stuff to me rather than specifically Evangelion.
'Otaku' is probably the weird-ass term you're looking for.
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I'm not too knowledgable on Evangelion, but what are the specifics that correlate the two?
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Giant Fucking Robots.
Evangelion:
(http://www.quangtruong.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/evangelion.jpg)
Pacific Rim:
(http://www.ubnation.com/industry%20news/Rihanna%20getting%20sexy%20with%20Giant%20Robots.jpg)
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I'm not too knowledgable on Evangelion, but what are the specifics that correlate the two?
Big calamities (end of the world) caused by
Big monsters which require
Big robots that require
Special pilots (on a multinational scope)
That's all I can gather from the previews.
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I'm not too knowledgable on Evangelion, but what are the specifics that correlate the two?
Talented human drivers neurally linked to government-funded giant mechs.
Other than that they are pretty different. Pacific Rim monsters are giant sea "godzilla"esque creatures, while Evangelion enemies are all "angels" aka alien entities that have very wacky and ridiculous abilities far more outlandish than giant sea creatures.
Also the themes are different; the Evangelion series is about teen angst and a struggle between self-preservation and caring for others, while Pacific Rim is about humanity vs baddies.
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I was worried this was some sort of sexual maneuver! :-0
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Evangelion actually has plenty of the perv fantasy / artsy fartsy (Japanese mindset) stuff which I find bizarre. I believe Hikkomori is more a Japanese thing than American. I guess it's fairly common for 40 year old virgins to still live in their parents house in Japan.
I'm pretty sure Pacific Rim, being produced by Hollywood (and Del Toro), will not be that bizarre.
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It's less about Japanese mindset and more about silly wish fulfilment fantasy for those otakus. There's a large community of those types in NA too.
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I used to be into the "harem" animes as a kid- Love Hina, Tenchi Muyo, etc. Mostly for the reasons stated, I was/am a lonely guy who no woman wanted within the vicinity, let alone touch up close. Nearing 30, still a virgin, no friends, will likely live with the parents 'til I can't.
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Don't worry, you'll be gaining magical powers and become a wizard once you hit 30!
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How do you know I'm not already a wizard?
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Did you put on your robe and wizard hat?
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I've got a starry sky bedsheet tied neatly above my shoulders, topped with a replica Link (the elf) cap to accentuate the majesty. Pants are, as always, optional.
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I remember watching Evangelion back in college. It was the first time the anime pervy stuff started to make me feel uncomfortable. That being said, I loved the series up into the wtf ending.
It was totally worth it though. I ended up living in Japan for a bit and it was a great bar trick to sing the opening theme to the ladies.
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Well, I saw Pacific Rim on IMAX.
Yeah, don't expect something like Ang Lee's Sense and Sensibility, but take it for what it is:
AN AWESOME SPECTACLE
This is the Godzilla / Ultraman movie that I would have wanted to make / go see as a kid. Not like Evangelion, but it does touch upon human issues of loneliness, isolation, feeling out of place, etc (but not in the weird-ass / perv Japanese anime way - more like how Hellboy does it.) I also loved the fact that it was a love story without it being a love story.
Lots of action, but the movie went by fast, unlike the last hour of non-stop action of Transformers 3 which I found unbearable.
Has Hellboy, a little Armageddon (Michael Bay), and a little Top Gun mixed in. Definitely a Del Toro movie. There were a few scenes where I was like OMG, that is so ghey/stupid/makes-no-sense, but so yet fucking awesome. As I said, Godzilla / Ultraman. Maybe a tidbit from Voltron.
Had two minor complaints:
- One had to be careful listening to all dialog. It seemed that lots of little details had to be crammed in to make the movie fit 2 hours. I bet lots of footage was cut.
- Does everyone have to keeping shouting? I don't think there was a scene in the movie where someone didn't shout.
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Damn! So this is like sex when being a kid at the same time hehhehe. I don't trust you quite yet Purrin hahahaha. I do want to see it my self because of these comments though
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I had a late lunch afterward and went into a food coma / afternoon nap. All I could dream about was how awesome the the movie was. I am seriously considering to go see the movie again.
BTW, the 3D, although much of it faked, is well done. My main complaint with 3D in general is that it has relied too much on gimmicks (knife flying toward audience), and scenery never "popped".
I can only assume the Del Toro was involved in the 3D process. Again, it was faked, but there was a lot of artistry (intent) behind the 3D effects to make things pop and differentiate depth with layers. As someone who does not care about 3D, I actually enjoyed the 3D aspect of this movie.
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For the record, there are loads of animes with angsty, overly emotional teenagers driving giant robots and fighting... whatever. It's just that NGE is one of the most well known. Pretty much all of the Gundam pilots are teenagers with constant friend/girl trouble, because you know, when you need someone to pilot your gazillion dollar giant robot, clearly a high school kid makes the most sense.
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LOL. Thank god no high school kids in this one.
BTW, one Jaegar, only briefly seen in a flashback scene in Japan, looked like an homage to Gundam. Lots of little tidbits and nods in the movie. The design other Jaegars seemed very original though.
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There is no escaping hints or homages to the old Gundam-series. For its time the first series were unique...
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Interesting quotes by the directors of Pacific Rim. I think this also confirms that Del Toro is quite into anime.
>[Travic Beacham] I think tonally it’s definitely an influence, because really what blew me away the first time I saw “Evangelion” was it treated this genre, this sort of silly genre – or a genre that could be sort of silly, and could be outlandish and cartoonish – and treated it with a real sophistication. Which I really liked. I think what I identified less with in “Evangelion” was the sort of apocalypticism of it, and kind of a surrender to human neuroses or whatever…
>[Guillermo del Toro] That's one of the four animes I've never seen. I will acknowledge openly the influence of Patlabor, gladly. I'll fully acknowledge most Gaiden movies being an influence, but Evangelion, I have, and they bought it for me before the movie started and I made it a point not to watch it. I said "I don't know if it's close or not, but I don't want to be influenced," you know? Now I'm gonna watch it. I always loved the designs. I actually bought a couple of the toys because the look is fantastic. I don't know if it's the good guy or the bad guy but from a purely visual point of view I love it. I will watch it, I'm hugely influenced by anime; I have no problem with that above board but unfortunately I haven't seen Evangelion. I'm so attracted to the designs that I'd blindly go and buy all the toys but my daughter has watched it this year and said "You're gonna like it." And my daughter is my guru. My two daughters are my contact with the world.
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I don't know about homage to the old gundam series, but it definitely reminded me of g-gundam a little.
As far as the movie, this was my short review on it:
"It's an entertaining movie, nothing more. It didn't quite tickle my fancy like Man of Steel.
A lot of the visuals and action sequences are great, it's just that there's so much going on-- often with a dark environment with overdone rain effects and very fast motion, that it's hard to take in everything that's going on the screen. Ironically I thought some of the better sequences were the slower sequences that allowed you to take in all the visual information and detail of the robots, monsters and surrounding sci-fi elements.
I didn't think any of the characters were particularly strong, and 3 of them (the girl and scientists) I found annoying, although there was a redeeming campy quality to the scientists.
The Jaeger hq had this bit of matrix-esque mix of low and high tech feel to me. They use all this fancy tech to create massive, complex robots and connect the pilots' brains together, but they're in a very industrial, rugged looking structure and the hallways where their tenements are remind me of rivet city in fallout3. Hell, even the scientist is using a pair of bellows ghetto-rigged to his machine that does the mind handshake thing.
The one thing I think this movie does have over superman is the 3d. It's noticeably stronger and more apparent.
If superman got an 8.5 from me I'd give this movie a 7.
Hideo Kojima is just doing what japs do best I think. "
The kojima comment was referring to a a post of someone quoting hideo kojima, creator of the mgs series, who raved so much about Pacific Rim. In short I just think japs love their giant robots too much. I'm not playing that off as a bad thing, but it is what it is.