I'm waiting for a Geek Wave (I really hope it does make it for Q4 this year); meanwhile I've traded in carrying around a DAP & amp for a simple Clip+. My JH13 sound just fine out of the little player.
To go against the grain here, try the fiio X3. I haven't heard its noise floor with the IEMs I've used so far and there's enough power for fullsized cans as well. Plus you don't get the same possibility of buyers' remorse as with a 500+$ DAP.
If you really must scratch that audiophile supremacy itch there's also the Geek Wave + IEM package.
The X3 I heard is pretty much on par with the Clip+. I wouldn't have bothered based on SQ except it seems like you wanted more drive for headphones.
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I'll be getting a Wave fyi.
I'd have my eyes on the Calyx M, and of course the new Geek dap.
100/120/240 are all poo for the price, I hope the new AK120 II is better. 901 is meh.
I still miss my old kenwood.
The HM-901 with the balanced amp module is also very nice, although a tad too warm for me but nice full sound.
They dont look anything special TBH, the geek wave XD is $899 and has almost identical specs to the dx90
I can pretty much guarantee the Wave 32 sounds better than the DX100 did.
I'm thinking about a belt clip for my 11" MacBook Air > Audirvana or Amarra 3.0 > GO 450 > HD600.
Is this a DAP? (I walk around the place with it occasionally...some freeware lets me operate it with the lid closed.)
Instead of rolling PWD Firmware Revisions and tubes, I have been rolling software and Geek Outs. :)p8
To buy the geek week player, is there another way besides making your own campaign to sign people up? I haven't found another option to pay for it.
Ya I tried to open a ticket asking about how to purchase it and they haven't answered so far.
Would the Cowon J3 be a good grab at $130?
The original AK100 stunk. The newer ones are definitely better . . .
The original AK100 stunk. The newer ones are definitely better . . .
Do you mean only the original AK100 that had problems with IEMs or all the AK100s before the new Cirrus-based one?
Ya I tried to open a ticket asking about how to purchase it and they haven't answered so far.
Would the Cowon J3 be a good grab at $130?
Ya I tried to open a ticket asking about how to purchase it and they haven't answered so far.
Would the Cowon J3 be a good grab at $130?
For $130 I'd go for it, unless you want to spend a little extra for "muh hi-res" in the Colorfly C3 (and glorious hi-res at that too, Mile Davis in 24/88.2khz on the DX50)
Has anyone here tried the FiiO X5 coax out into the Leckerton UHA-6S.MkII? This should be pretty decent portable setup.
heh I think for the price clip+ is the best. Unfortunately not powerful enough for some headphones
Actually I haven't. I might give it a go if I remember this weekend. At this point though, I think the DAC on the Leck might just be overshadowed by other alternatives no matter how it is fed. Bypassing the crap usb input is the best option to get the DAC sounding better however.
heh I think for the price clip+ is the best. Unfortunately not powerful enough for some headphones
Or transparent enough. Power is just one factor. But yes for money it's a good deal. I have two laying around here, one still in its box. If you are willing to spend $$$ on IEMs, you are doing a disservice choking them on a Clip+ unless you A)love the Clip packaging/form factor, B)bought crappy expensive IEMs that aren't any better than a good $200 IEM.
You are playing a joke? no?
My D42 mamba seems abit lackluster.
I wasn't impressed with the HM901. Supposedly with balanced module, it's better. If I used IEMs a lot and cared a lot about SQ, I'd try to find a used AK120mki (Wolfson). The AK120mk2/AK240 were a step back in sound quality with the Cirrus D-A chips. The AK120mki recommendation for an all-in-one solution.
The DAC section on the Leckerton sucks compared to GO, but the Leckerton has better amp section. I'd pair them up (GO as DAC + Leckerton as amp). If you don't bind rubber-banding or velcroing those two together - that would be the way to go for great SQ at a really good price.
Warm? Yes, but that's a matter of preference just like with headphones and amps. It's definitely not muddy though, unless maybe if you used some multi-BA iem with it, but you can use an external amp for those. The UI is just fine once Rockbox'd. And at $70 I can live with the plasticky build and limitations with BA iems.
let be clear the hm901 is great for a dap best I heard (only heard the ak120 mkI once so maybe I needed more time with it) but as for sound you'd don't get much more than the GO + leckerton combo.
@marvey What IEMs did you use with the hm901?
Everyone knows that an obama safe link phone is best digital player ever. Makes all other daps overpriced pocket metal.
Just further evidence of how Obama is in TracFone's pocket...
Has anyone (here) actually listened to / compared the Sony A17 to Pono, et al.? I sifted through the HF thread for a bit, but quickly got a headache. I also read what Stephen Rochlin (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1214/Sony_NWZ_ZX1_NWZ_A17_Pono_Music_Player.htm) has to say, but that made HF feel like reasonable, straightforward dialog...
I know MF enjoyed the ZX1, and the F887 was supposed to be similar SQ with fewer options. I know Sony generally asserts the same about A17, but the proof is in the pudding.
If the the A17 SQ were up to snuff, it would be a desirable option. A17 has generally favorable response from what I have read, and ticks a lot of non-SQ boxes: microSD expandable, decent UI, small, line out and digital out options, less than a thousand dollars, etc.
This guy says Pono is better than A17
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1214/Sony_NWZ_ZX1_NWZ_A17_Pono_Music_Player.htm
I couldn't care less and like my cheap X3 with 3.3FW anyway.
Wow. I attempted to skim that one. Epically bad review. Exchange rates, robot dogs, stock price, and rootkits in a "head-to-head shootout"? I guess I've been fortunate enough to avoid Rochlin up to this point. poo
A17 alone isn't the best sound in the portable space but darn if it isn't portable. It also has a phenomenal UI and great battery life. If I'm hankering for better, I strap the Leck onto it and it is a big step up.
For on the go listening with my UERMs, I'm a fan. I've been on the upgrade wagon too much to really want to move to anything else until the Geek Waves start shipping.
Thanks zero, this is exactly what I am contemplating. I have UERM on the way, and I am done with being incrementally irritated with the apple experience.
My first DAP ever was a Cowon J3 which I really enjoyed ...
I've been surprised with the A17!!
So light and REALLY portable, good sounding, EXCELLENT UI, GREAT battery life.
Does it sound "better" than my ZX1, AK 100MK2 or even the FiiO X5? Ermm no, not really, it's a bit "soft" up-top, it sounds as if the top end is a bit boosted, etc. but does it kill in mostly all other categories already mentioned? I would say yes and I will be selling my other DAPs. It's that good (for me!!)
I've been surprised with the A17!!
So light and REALLY portable, good sounding, EXCELLENT UI, GREAT battery life.
Does it sound "better" than my ZX1, AK 100MK2 or even the FiiO X5? Ermm no, not really, it's a bit "soft" up-top, it sounds as if the top end is a bit boosted, etc. but does it kill in mostly all other categories already mentioned? I would say yes and I will be selling my other DAPs. It's that good (for me!!)
I have a Wave ordered too. I grabbed the Plenue as I have low confidence they'll a) get it done anywhere close to on time, b) Get the UI right, c) quite pummeling me with 'new' and 'must have' features. The wave is my first crowd fund, and I've come to hate it. Flame off. If the Wave drops and it's great.... great.
Followed this path. The Plenue is definitely better than my previous AK120 gen 1 which I prefer to the gen 2 players. Haven't spent any time with the AK240 to compare that either. It's not the Geek Out 450 > Leckerton, but the sense of space is really pretty awesome. It's not as wide as some players, but it's good. Instrument separation is good as well but it feels a little too smooth. It edges on a little warm which is actually a good pairing with the UERM. I like it better than the Fulla but less than the geek out 450 > Leck stack. Not bad for on the go, though.
Your impressions match mine; overall good detail & imaging; a tad smooth and warm. It really is a pretty good pairing with UERM's.
I wasn't impressed with the HM901. Supposedly with balanced module, it's better. If I used IEMs a lot and cared a lot about SQ, I'd try to find a used AK120mki (Wolfson). The AK120mk2/AK240 were a step back in sound quality with the Cirrus D-A chips. The AK120mki recommendation for an all-in-one solution.
The DAC section on the Leckerton sucks compared to GO, but the Leckerton has better amp section. I'd pair them up (GO as DAC + Leckerton as amp). If you don't bind rubber-banding or velcroing those two together - that would be the way to go for great SQ at a really good price.
Oh, it's pretty interesting that you'd think the AK120 sounds similar to GO450 + Leck.
I've been thinking about grabbing it to replace my iPod Nano (you know. :P), and also because it can be used as a USB/optical DAC that's also quite capable. Would make for a nice portable/transportable setup IMO.
Would the rwak 120-s + leckerton change the ranking?
Anyone planning on preordering the Questyle QP1 or QP1R?
I was interested in the ZX2 but got a great deal on the AK100ii and a pair of AKR01 iem's. I was currently using the Fiio X1 and I have to say the AK100ii is more detailed, but I didn't feel that it is $850 better then the Fiio X1 in terms of sound. Does any one else feel the same way about higher end DAP's. The build and UI is way better then the Fiio but I really was disappointed with the sound, I was expected to be blown away. I also had the chance to listen to the AK240 and AK120ii and felt the same way.
For the most part. Especially AK DAPs. Very little price/performance benefit it any depending on what you are comparing. I find iBasso also mediocre and they started the high priced DAP gig. There's a lot of mediocre overpriced stuff out there these days.
Hey Anax, how'd you like the UI on the QP1? I don't recall if you mentioned anything of it.
I had no issues with it. I think someone mentioned there might be a playlist issue depending on how the list was built. I'm pretty used to crappy Chinese interfaces and never have problems with bad UI. That said, I thought the QP1 had an easier and more intuitive/slicker UI than the Calyx and perhaps even the Pono from what I can recall. So I don't think people will have too many issues with it.
DAPs are annoying right now. I'm waiting on my UERMs to come in, and can't decide what to pair them with. The DX90 has a lot of potential, but I've only experienced a couple Sabre implementations. The bright, clinical sound I've been hearing about seems like it would mate bad with them. I wish I liked the Fiio X5 but I wasn't the biggest fan of its presentation. I've also been looking at unconventional pairings like Sony A15+C5D or A15+Micro iDSD for when I'll be more transportable.
Ah how I miss the simplicity of Ipod+C421 stacks. Any help on what I should get?
Also, long time lurker, first time poster ;)
Portable is not the ultimate solution, but for a small group of people portable stuff is really important. Today I sent the Angies for repair and forgot to bring another backup pair, and the whole day was like lost to me.
I don't have any experience with AK products so I'm not commenting on those, but I generally agree with Greed's list. I'll add Sony A17 to the sub 300 list for the UI, battery life and a relatively negotiated sound. I'll add Calyx M to the 700+ list if one doesn't care about the 5-hour battery run and the somewhat confusing UI. Sounds very good to me.
Not enough portable die-hards here to have "general consensus". From what I can tell most of us are okay with transportable setups atop a desk, etc. That said, there is a lot of crap in portable audio, specifically most DAPs. iBasso, AK, HFM.. all are pretty garbage or have a low price/performance ratio.
From my experience the best DAPs (meaning all in one packages) in each price range:
$0-250: FiiO X5
$250-350: Sony F887
$400-600: Sony ZX1
$700+: Cowon P1 (recently replaced the AK120 which is okay but not worth the price)
There are few new models that I have yet to hear that could be interesting: Cowon Plenue M, Sony ZX2, Questyle QP1, FiiO X7
how's the sound out of the sony? is it better than out of an iphone?
how's the sound out of the sony? is it better than out of an iphone?
I mean... It is being used on outside which inevitably degrades listening condition,
No offense, pretty much all of so-called audiophile DAPs are terrible for the price they are asking.... and I have very hard time why people want such a good sound quality form a DAP in the first place, really.
I mean... It is being used on outside which inevitably degrades listening condition, and with limitation by being battery-powered, there is a clear limit on physical aspects of the player. These are some of the reasons I have little interest in audiophile DAPs.
One thing I noticed is that other than Sony ones, the battery life of these audiophile DAPs are downright terrible. UI is nearly un-usable at best, disaster at worst. Many of them are also bulky and heavy too.
If I were to buy, I'd rather look for Cowon/iriver's non-audiophile series DAPs, Sony's new A-series walkman or Sandisk Sansas.
To answer your question, as Anax has said, the Sony isn't a reference thing to me as well, and is indeed better than an iPhone. If you want I can do some quick A/B (I've got both) and make a short impression. But how much the difference is... YMMV.
What 360 thing?
Yep, the 380 is real.
Does anyone here have any impressions to share regarding the upcoming QP1 and QP1R? Right now I'm torn between Calyx M, Cowon Plenue 1 and QP1/R.
The ak380. A DAP so expensive that folks on head-di will immediately pair it with a hugo then a bakoon portable.Something like 3.5k right?
Be honest who is buying one?
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This is actually footage from the UCI parking lotInteresting to know it.
Something like 3.5k right?
I heard the A17 had a prominent low-level hiss which would probably bug the hell out of me.
I thought you heard it already?
They also are using a custom external amp, I wonder what sound Sig they are goings for.
I believe they're saying 3,499 for the dap. No word yet on external amp and accessoreies.From what I am aware of, the amp is like a charging station/stationary amp.
From what I am aware of, the amp is like a charging station/stationary amp.
The amp should be priced around $700 (that's what people are saying on HF and at other places).
I personally think that, no matter what the sound quality, the AK240 should be $1500 and AK380 be $2500 with the charging station/amp included.
Hope this helps :)
Sony NW-ZX2 claims its capable of wifi. Does it mean that I could listen to, say, YouTube music videos or online streaming music through the NW-ZX2 in a wifi zone? If so, that would be great.
As it is people that own the ak240SS say that it ties with the hm901 for sound quality and pulls ahead everywhere else (not worth the $2000 mark up for me but to each there own).
Finally heard the zx2.
Verdict: I'm glad I have the P1.
the qp1 isn't finished yet, do you feel that they will leave the tunning alone?
Finally heard the zx2.If the Geek wave 128 ends up sucking, seems like the P1 is worth picking up.
Verdict: I'm glad I have the P1.
Finally heard the zx2.There's another player released by Cowon now called M. Have you had a chance to try that yet?
Verdict: I'm glad I have the P1.
Supposed to deliver in June. But who knows?
There's another player released by Cowon now called M. Have you had a chance to try that yet?
Has anyone gotten their wave 128 yet? When were they slated to be shipped?
Has anyone here listened to Acoustic Research M2?
If so, how it compares against the likes of its competitors?
get the hm 901s it sarber + femto should give you this geek 450 feel if you fear the cirrus chip.
The Calyx also has a relatively high output impedance so it might muck up your crossover in a multi BA.
After being utterly disappointed by the latest-gen AK series (AK240, AK100MKII and AK120MKII), my choice was boiled down to four products.
Cowon Plenue 1
Sony NW-ZX2
Calyx M
Questyle QP1R
Sony's wifi capability and the fact that I could watch YouTube music videos was quite tempting, but the fact that it is overpriced and cannot compete others in sound quality was a deal-breaker for me. Also, Calyx M's horrible battery life was a letdown too. Now it's between Cowon and Questyle, both of which I have yet to audition.
Anax says that Questyle QP1 was the best DAP he's heard, and that the QP1R might be better sounding since it's supposedly a higher-end model. He hasn't heard the Plenue 1. On the other hand, guys like Zero and CT had a lot of positive things to say about the Plenue 1. I'm torn between these two.
Here's what I've gathered so far.
1. Questyle apparently uses current mode technology, trickled down from their heavy-duty desktop amps. Must be a good thing, no?
2. However, QP1R incorporates the same Cirrus Logic DAC module used in AK240. And I hated the AK240's sound signature. What if the QP1R shares a similar tone as that of the Ak240?
3. Questyle doesn't have a touchscreen... but no big deal if it sounds superbly good enough.
4. Cowon P1 is said to have a slightly warm, natural and non-fatiguing tone. This is exactly the sound signature I'm looking for, if what they are saying is true. I don't want a bright dry sound and would rather have my music lean toward the warmer side, but not as much as to the point of being colored or muddled.
5. I live in South Korea where Cowon is from, so I can have it at a less expensive price than what most of you are familiar with. It is priced similarly to the QP1R here. In terms of price, both are even for me.
6. Again, I'm aware the GO450>Leck stomps just about every other portable setup people discuss around here, but I just want an all-in-one-chassis DAC without dangling three separate components with rubber bands.
So basically, I have a feeling that the Questyle QP1R will have superior technicalities and ultimately a more refined, resolving sound than the Cowon P1 thanks to its current mode. However, the fact that the QP1R shares the same DAC chip as the horrid AK240, and that I may end up preferring the P1's slightly warmer, non-fatiguing sound signature is what gets me.
Of course, the things I've said above is purely speculation based on other people's reports. But if you have any advice, feedback, or better yet, firsthand experience listening to both products (in a direct A/B comparison or on different occasions), please shoot.
Have you heard the 901? It sounds nothing like the GO450 or v.2. Don't assume all Sabre and femto clocks sound the same. They do NOT. In fact, so far LHLabs is the only vendor that I've heard that knows how to produce a respectable sound using DSD, Sabre and femto tech. Everyone else is shooting in the dark and slapping marketing buzzwords on their products.First of don't misquote me i dont misquote you. I have never heard the new saber chip so i cant comment on it but i heard multiple implementations of the old saber chips and there always is something weird in the tremble . so i got no opinions on the geek v2 sound. with the geek there is this weird thinning in the tremble.
No, the AK240 does not sound like the QP1. Implementation, implementation, implementation. I HATE the AK240. I think it's worse sounding than the original AK120.
If you want a warm and forgiving sound, get the Plenue if that's how it actually sounds. That's not my reference signature so the QP1 might not be for you. Shame because the best warm and forgiving sounding DAP I've heard is the Calyx M. Not sure if the Plenue is better, maybe it is. The Calyx also has a relatively high output impedance so it might muck up your crossover in a multi BA.
First of don't misquote me i dont misquote you. I have never heard the new saber chip so i cant comment on it but i heard multiple implementations of the old saber chips and there always is something weird in the tremble . so i got no opinions on the geek v2 sound. with the geek there is this weird thinning in the tremble.
So I assumed that songmic was going to use 16 bit PCM and with pcm the geek hm 901 differences is that the geek is more full bodied while the hm901 is more clinical the discrete card is suppose to fix that and there is also a vintage switch to use the Butterworth filter.
I could give a shit how the geek sounds with DSD it was a pointless format that is all but dead and if your making recommendation's to spend $250 to listen to ten albums you really need to start putting an asterisk on your review. If I can't do redbook better I don't care.
Man, you really need to learn to control your hate for Light Harmonic. It's really making you say some over the top nonsense.
The 901 I heard was quite warm and full bodied based on that amp card.
??? Pretty sure dsd was made by sony, so how am I antiLight harmonic for saying that dsd is pointless? I'd say the same thing with any dsd dac.
But a little too matter-of-fact, if people prefer more character to their sources.
Feel free to criticize constructively about issues and SQ, but your whining, pouting and passive aggressive snipes about their products that have nothing to do with their actual performance will no longer be tolerated by myself.
Word! No more criticism of the fucking wretched way they run their business, bitch, because they're the Premier Sponsor now. p:/
Word! No more criticism of the fucking wretched way they run their business, bitch, because they're the Premier Sponsor now. p:/
Thank you for all your feedback! I think I pretty much made up my mind.
BTW I didn't mean to start a flame war when I wrote my original post... Sorry if things got a bit out of hand.
When I thought about it, I did feel that not having a touchscreen would be pretty inconvenient. Also, considering my CIEM's are JH13 Pro and possibly Kaiser 10 in the future, which tend to sound from neutral to somewhat bright, I think a slightly warm DAP like the Cowon P1 might be a better choice for me. I'm looking at used P1 deals for around $700 here... think I'll grab one soon.
Good news is though, I do have a chance to audition a QP1R soon, although I don't think I could make a direct A/B comparison with P1. I'll mostly likely pull the trigger after having heard both, in a few weeks. Who knows, if the QP1R sounds immensely better than the P1 then maybe it could win me over despite the lack of a touchscreen.
Forgive me for what might seem like making a compromise, but I prefer my music to be relaxing, easy-on-the-ear, non-fatiguing "muzak" when I'm on the go. Critical listening for planktons and searching the "truth" in sound might be a bit of a distracting task when I'm crossing the streets or riding the subway, no matter how well my CIEM's isolate.
Patience=zero. Try me again and see.
:-Z Someone needs a beer.
No worries. I think we understand where each is coming from. Cheers. :)p5
Fuck the beer, I need a Scotch.
WTF are you on about now? I deleted one post about you saying, "Fuck it, I'm out, blah, blah blah everyone look at me I'm not happy, wah wah." What else did you post since? What stuff are you begging for? Did someone say we don't believe you and were going to make you attend? WTH are you smoking?Hahaha yup thats the response I'd thought id get. man your easy today.
Fuck the beer, I need a Scotch.
Are you saying it's too transparent or too colored?
I've tried the Lotoo PawGold. It's quite clinical to my ears. Less warmth. More of the neutral but not quite bright sound. Nah, not for me because of the ancient UI lol.
I love Calyx M. It's really so much entertaining to listen to, especially the smooth signature which doesn't pierce my ears. Less detail? Perhaps, but the signature is to my liking. Warm, non-bright, quite thick, and enjoyable. Sony ZX1 I remembered as very digital sounding. Clean, yes. But kinda... digital. I don't know why I associate it with this word tho. But the form factor is splendid.
What were everyone's opinions on the original AK100? The dreaded "Sabre Glare" makes me nervous, and I'm not the hugest fan of CL from what I've heard. I've liked what I've read about it, as I want a slightly warm but portable source for my UERMs.
Hell, even the AK Jr seems appealing right now...
What were everyone's opinions on the original AK100? The dreaded "Sabre Glare" makes me nervous, and I'm not the hugest fan of CL from what I've heard. I've liked what I've read about it, as I want a slightly warm but portable source for my UERMs.
Hell, even the AK Jr seems appealing right now...
As a previous owner, the original AK100 was nothing to write home about--yes it was indeed Sabrey Glarey but not as much so as the MKII stuff--but the RWAK mod somehow took some of that the edge off despite lowering the output impedance from 22 to like 1 or less.
While the DAP market has advanced far since then, I felt that the RWAK100 was actually a solid performer for its price back then, and actually preferred its sound signature to that of the ridiculously expensive and ex-flagship of the AK line, the AK240, while using my JH13 FP.
I'm actually curious about how the AK Jr sounds, albeit my disappoint with the AK240 and MKII series.
AK120mk1 and AK jr. are better than the AK100.
Honestly, I'm not sure if most of the audiophile DAPs that have come out the last few years are even on par with my old $99 Sflo2 from 4-5 years ago.
Weird question: what would the output impedance on a balanced termination be? Electrically I would like to think it doubles, but I'm not entirely sure. Anyone have an idea?
I think I've read something along those lines, about the UERM not being that picky about output impedance at least
Intuitively speaking, wouldn't it be halved and not doubled?
Anax, have you heard the AK Jr? Then I have some questions.
1. The main reason I disliked the AK120 MKII and AK240 was mainly due to its sound sig: somewhat bright, harsh, lifeless and anemic. Did my JH13 FP no favors whatsoever. What can you tell me about the AK Jr's sound sig? Does it share the same somewhat bright and harsh qualities of the Astell&Kern DNA of its predecessors? Or would you say that it's fairly neutral, or even a tad on the warmer side?
2. Not counting price into consideration, how would you rate the AK Jr's sonic performance in comparison to other DAP's? Would you go as far as to say that the Jr actually performs better than the 240 SQ-wise, or that the 240 is still better by a margin or two but value-wise the Jr is far better?
I remember you also saying that the Sony ZX2 sounds mid-fi, mediocre at best... how about the Jr compared to ZX2?
I heard that the Jr is definitely a class above the ZX1.
1-I hate the 240, 100, and anything mk2 so let's not go there. Total step backward IMHO. The Jr. (with and without ProEQ enabled is closer to sounding like the AK120mk1, which I thought was pretty good, if not expensive. However, the Jr. is a little less refined/smooth in the treble and bass presentation than the 120mk1, but close with a similar signature. I'd say the Jr. is almost like an AK120mk1 micro.
2-See above, I hate the 240 and it's not just because of price. Thin, dead, lifeless and unrefined. Total jip. Sounds no better than a $150 Fiio to me. Jr. is definitely above the ZX1 a bit. A whole class above? Some of that lack of refinement keeps me from going that far. However, the ZX2 is almost a class above the ZX1 which makes it above average to my sensibilities. That's a warmer yet acceptable technical performer.
So for me....100/120mk2<240=ZX1<Jr.<ZX2<120mk1<QP1<380<GO450+Leck+source<QP1+Leck<=GOv2+Leck+source.
Thanks a lot for your input. The Jr sems to have stunning value. And yet, you say it is not as good as the ZX2... The Cowon P1 on my mind was said to be superior to both ZX2 and 120mk1, so I'm guessing it's on a similar league with QP1. The fact that P1 has a mildly warm and forgiving sound sig, along with its touchscreen functionality which the QP1 lacks, currently makes it no.1 on my DAP to buy list.
1. Have you heard the Centrance Glove A1? It supposedly latches onto the 120mk1 and makes it better sounding. If you have heard it, approximately where would you place the 120mk1/Glove A1 on your DAP scale? Don't tell me the Glove A1 actually makes the 120mk1 sounds worse compared to stock...
2. Other than a smartphone, which portable source do you recommend to pair with GOv2 & Leck? An audiophile-grade portable source that can output a high quality digital line out into the GOv2?
3. Have you heard the QP1R? If so, how is it different/better/worse compared to QP1?
I think you've got that exactly backwards. The impedance-to-frequency curve for the UERM looks like the Swiss Alps. That's why it's an unfortunate choice for use with the Pono Player, whose output impedance is (depending on who you believe) either (a) somewhere between 3.5 and 4 ohms or (b) a moving target due to the way the diamond buffer circuit reacts to changes in voltage. Balanced mode helps, but it's not a panacea. If I were determined to only use UERM for portable applications, I would put my Pono Player on the market today and get a AK Jr. There are, fortunately, a number of very good IEMs that don't have any impedance issues with the Pono Player, starting with the Noble 4.
Does anyone else think that Astell & Kern basically made the Geek Wave before LH Labs could get them into production?
http://www.astellnkern.com/eng/htm/akjr/akjr_feature.asp
the qp1 isn't finished yet, do you feel that they will leave the tunning alone?
I see no reason to touch it. However, it wouldn't be the first time I've recommended a prototype which later changes a spec here or there. Plus, the question is whether the production built units will sound the same. I have no idea how the prototypes were built. Shouldn't be a problem as Foxconn was mentioned being involved.While the essentials are the same as the prototypes we showed at CanJam and Axpona, the production samples we had at Munich and at T.H.E. Show Newport have better sound. The QP1 is now equivalent to the prototype QP1R, while the production QP1R has a more refined sound though with a slightly lower power output. The output impedance is .19 ohm for the QP1 and .17 ohm for the QP1R.
1-mostly because the ZX2 has more refinement and is close enough in other areas. It's going to be a matter of preferences. Treble issues would definitely be more frequent and obvious on the Jr. than the ZX2 for example.
2-Tablet/phablet/smartphone
3-Yes. Tough one. It's a warmer tone thats smoother and more forgiving. I felt the QP1 had better air and space, etc., but at the cost or a more unrefined treble note on ocassion. The QP1R seems to be tweaked to offer more of a warmer Meridian/Mark Levinson audiophile signature. It was more sidegrade than upgrade. Problem was there was less energy and extension up top and the images tended to blur a little more into the imaging spaces from the added warmth. There was some debate about whether these were production units or not. I was told not, others said other things.
When is this going to become generally available worldwide?They're in production now, it will probably take about four weeks to get them to market (packaging, shipping and customs).
So for me....100/120mk2<240=ZX1<Jr.<ZX2<120mk1<QP1<380<GO450+Leck+source<QP1+Leck<=GOv2+Leck+source.
Hi guys, any opinion on sound of new Hifiman HM901S? And are they still so bad with UI as before?
380
I haven't really read anything about the PAW5000. Can't wait to see your impressions :)
For $200, the X3ii seems to be a pretty good value. I'll be reviewing the X5ii in the coming month.
I haven't really read anything about the PAW5000. Can't wait to see your impressions :)
For $200, the X3ii seems to be a pretty good value. I'll be reviewing the X5ii in the coming month.
I have both DAPs in my office for a few more days. If you're interested, I will be publishing loaded and unloaded RMAA and square wave results tomorrow.How much current can it put out before it starts spewing major amounts of distortion? AK380 doesn't seem to handle full output well into a 32 ohm headphone, at least. link (http://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_device&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=27)
How much current can it put out before it starts spewing major amounts of distortion? AK380 doesn't seem to handle full output well into a 32 ohm headphone, at least. link (http://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_device&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=27)
My Korean isn't up to scratch either, but it's supposed to be at the bottom of the page in English. The load is a real headphone, the Sennheiser MX400. With a multimeter on hand you should be able to figure out current if you can test loads.
They're in production now, it will probably take about four weeks to get them to market (packaging, shipping and customs).
Pretty interesting numbers on 24bit versus Redbook on that X3.
1-I hate the 240, 100, and anything mk2 so let's not go there. Total step backward IMHO. The Jr. (with and without ProEQ enabled is closer to sounding like the AK120mk1, which I thought was pretty good, if not expensive. However, the Jr. is a little less refined/smooth in the treble and bass presentation than the 120mk1, but close with a similar signature. I'd say the Jr. is almost like an AK120mk1 micro.
2-See above, I hate the 240 and it's not just because of price. Thin, dead, lifeless and unrefined. Total jip. Sounds no better than a $150 Fiio to me. Jr. is definitely above the ZX1 a bit. A whole class above? Some of that lack of refinement keeps me from going that far. However, the ZX2 is almost a class above the ZX1 which makes it above average to my sensibilities. That's a warmer yet acceptable technical performer.
So for me....100/120mk2<240=ZX1<Jr.<ZX2<120mk1<QP1<380<GO450+Leck+source<QP1+Leck<=GOv2+Leck+source.
I had same impression of the AK240. Thin, dead, and lacking refinement.Calyx M's new firmware is supposed to make it sound much nicer according to many people. Ever tried it out?
For now I am using Sony ZX2 as that is the best I have come across so far, out of ZX2, Calyx M, AK240 and P1. For me it has the best compromise of resolution, tonal density and refinement (it still bites from time to time.)
I'm not even going to try the Ak380 because the prices are just getting retarded. Especially local Australian price. It's over a months wages for me and about $500 more than Yggy...
QP1 might be interesting. Price is still sort of acceptable.
I'm not into using a separate amplifier. For me portable needs to fit in my pocket and last all day without charging. I already have too many devices that need charging...
Calyx M's new firmware is supposed to make it sound much nicer according to many people. Ever tried it out?
As much as I like M'm big screen, its 4 hour battery life is just... sad.
Calyx M's new firmware is supposed to make it sound much nicer according to many people. Ever tried it out?
As much as I like M'm big screen, its 4 hour battery life is just... sad.
Yeah, a portable with battery life of only 4 hours... poor. If I can't listen for at least 12 hours I won't bother.
I didn't try the new firmware - is it meant to be more resolving?I saw someone say the new firmware makes him prefer the M over the AK380 but I don't know what the AK380 sounds like so I can't comment on that. Also I have no idea what about the sound improves but I've seen lots of positive feedback so I think it's worth a try.
Yep 4 hours battery life is a PITA. I think though this is due to class A amplification. Also the Calyx M is huge. Still if it sounded overall better than the ZX2 I would give it a second shot. I'm still trying to sell it.
I think 8 hrs is a good target especially for the stuff we want in daps.
Honestly, 12 should be minimum.
I don't think even 12 is enough. Opinions aside, the battery life of current DAPs is a step backward from what was normal for 10 years. iPod Classic? Between 20 and 30 hours. iRiver H100/300 series? 15 hours on original battery and 25 to 30 on easily fitted replacement. Rockboxed Sansa Fuze+? 25 to 30 hours for FLAC or Vorbis.
My FiiO E7 DAC/Amp claims 80 hours. It's a bit older now but I think between 40 and 60 when used just as an amp is realistic and maybe between 20 and 30(??? guessing) when used as DAC/Amp (with USB charging disabled). I use it with my iRiver H140 so I can pretty much guarantee 25 hours between charges for the combo. When I use it as a DAC/Amp with my Galaxy Note II LTE I get between 12 and 24 hours before the Note needs a battery swap.
I sometimes think maybe I should replace my 10+ years old H140 but...but...but... I just can't live with a dedicated audio player that quits at 12 or 15 hours and can't even understand or display composer or comment tags. I don't really need another DAC and if I do need yet another occasional thingy hanging out of my rarely used laptop's USB I'll spend £25 on a hifimediy, not £300 - £1000 on a FiiO/iBasso/A+K.
I appreciate 12 hours battery life is not a disaster but it truly is a regular, repeating pain in the you-know-what, and just the kind of thing that leads to a person putting the device in a drawer and just using their smartphone instead.
I agree. But since audiophiles are getting used to really really bad battery life, I compromised by saying 12 minimum. And to be honest, I have never listened longer than 8 in a day, but being limited to 12, or less, is ridiculous, especially if you don't or can't access the mains.
I with they'd go back to B/W LCD screens that you actually read in direct sunlight. That would buy a class A amp circuit right there...
I with they'd go back to B/W LCD screens that you actually read in direct sunlight. That would buy a class A amp circuit right there...
I with they'd go back to B/W LCD screens that you actually read in direct sunlight. That would buy a class A amp circuit right there...
Yeah I'd add that album artworks, lyrics, and touchscreen are just unnecessary features. Genre, artist, album, song titles, playlists, run-time and browse-by-folder features under a black-and-white screen can make me call it a day.
Honestly, 12 should be minimum. Even the original AK100 nailed 14-16 hours. It wasn't perfect, but it nailed a few important specs.
I with they'd go back to B/W LCD screens that you actually read in direct sunlight. That would buy a class A amp circuit right there...
I with they'd go back to B/W LCD screens that you actually read in direct sunlight. That would buy a class A amp circuit right there...If people can mod the original Playstation into "audiophile" cd players, I'm sure someone can turn the original gameboy into an audiophile DAP...
How about like Yota phone's EPD (Electronic Paper) screen? I could roll with that.
https://yotaphone.com/gb-en/#techspec
Refresh rate might be good enough. Would have to see it in person though. Still need to completely drop the super high res color screen that would make an excellent HDTV for pixies or something.
While I'm at it, also still waiting for the world to get over touch screens...
Have one on my desk at work.
It's pretty slow. The new paperwhite is definitely WAY faster.