CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS
Lobby => IEM Measurements => Topic started by: Marvey on August 04, 2012, 04:06:30 AM
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When I put these on, I laughed because I felt they sounded like Grados.
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=435.0;attach=1953;image)
I had a really hard time getting a good seal with these, so I didn't get much bass in real world use. The short flange things never work well for me. The screwy left and right channel mismatches are real. Anax forced me to do more measurements to make sure.
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I might be getting a replacement set further down the line in search of the real GR10. Hopefully not too soon....
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Does Grado's effin' "signature" sound (i.e, from std line) hold for their IEMs ... like the effin' GR-10?
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The left (blue) channel looks kind of like the Grado's we've come to
. hate .
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As far as I know these have nothing to do with john grados, They're an asian company I believe(korean maybe).
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Actually, there was much debate as to whether the Grado moving armatures were from the same supplier as the Ortofons from Japan but spec'd for Grado or from someone else. Don't think it was settled. Forget the name of Ortofon's supplier.
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The only nice things I can say about these are that they're very detailed and have a unique airiness to them, but the highs are so erratic and piercing it's hard to really commend them for it; pretty much half my iPod was unlistenable. I remember their bass being interesting.
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I could make my farts sound airy if i added enough treble.
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Not just that (which is to say you're absolutely right) but their inherent speed coupled with prominent bass (in mine at least) actually yielded something worthwhile. I said "interesting" instead of "good," though, because there was some strangeness to its texture I can't really describe.
Like, if I lived in some alternate universe where the S and T syllables don't exist I'd probably still use them from time to time just to experience that.
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sounds like a Grado to me.
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sounds like a Grado to me.
....based on ...? Do you own them? Or heard them for an extended period? based on forum chatter, they're SUPPOSED to need 100+ burn-in hours. Ay shiver me timbers (http://www.talklikeapirate.com/howto.html) ... me fergets, you don't believe eeeen no steeeenkin' burn-in ... the very thought of which so bothers some on this ship that you force-branded me with that "motto" beneath my avatar. LOL!
BTW ... the IEM OEM for GL (& Orto) is ...
http://www.yashima-elec.co.jp/e/product_information/detail/earphone_04/n20.html
http://www.yashima-elec.co.jp/e/technical_information/backnumber002.html
(http://www.yashima-elec.co.jp/img/pi/dtl/earphone_04/fc_n20.gif)
Now, do they supply to digikey and the like ... hm .... ??
BTW2 ... not 'nother test site:
http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2012/09/grado-gr10-part2-general-analysis_8.html
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The pair we heard and measured above had more than 500+ hours on them. A well used pair.
Now stop talking like an imbecile and using your LOLs and winks to cover up your jackassery. Your sock puppet account has already been warned twice and not by me.
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Via Mountain Rice...
The THD and high-end extension (with a resistor) are considerably lower / higher-extending than the ER-4B http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2012/03/etymotic-research-er-4b.html
This data makes me think the Yashima driver has lower THD and - most notably - higher extension than the highest extending BA driver, yet M.R.O. is not very interested due to the inaccurate FR versus ER-4?
In the comments section he criticizes the price, however there are cheaper Yashima driver IEM's available, right? He doesn't even try different tips or different resistor values, which I have.
I'm perplexed why the Yashima driver is so overlooked, subjectively it's actually quite stellar. There's a special place for the E-Q7 in my IEM listening, with or without various resistors attached.
(http://i.imgur.com/E7VYVv5.jpg)
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I'm perplexed why the Yashima driver is so overlooked, subjectively it's actually quite stellar.
Looks and ergonomics. Apparently, you can't change the structure of the front barrel. In fact, drivers come pre-fabricated with that thing in the front. Ortofon's models look different from Grado's because they polish it. Functionally, though, they're extremely similar.
At least Ortofon is soldiering on with the e-Q8...
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The E-Q7 featured Silver-plated cables, looks like they're taking it a step further in the E-Q8 by asking Yashima for a Silver voice coil.
ORTOFON if you happen to read this...
-- Include a low ohm resistor in the jack, i.e. 29 ohm, to extend the highs
-- Include an updated FR chart
-- Include a low THD chart
-- Include pictures telling us why single drivers are theoretically better than multi (as Final Audio has done)
-- Alternative model E-Q8Ag with pure Silver cables and pure Silver housing.
Thank you.
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I had a listen to these in a store and couldn't believe how crappy they sounded for the price.
I'm admittedly not a fan of thin analytical BA in-ears but this was a harsh thin mess.
The build was not much better than a $10 Philips in-ear.