CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS
Lobby => IEM Measurements => Topic started by: ultrabike on August 09, 2015, 09:55:37 AM
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So Rich sent these for a listen and checkup. These are my impressions:
These are a little lean. But then I do tend to like IEMs that others consider bassy. I was honestly expecting quite a bit worse given what I've heard about them. I was expecting an analog phone line. These are not that bad, but they do lack dynamics, and have a somewhat recessed/weird mid-range. I feel there is some glare to these as well. Channel balance seems off in this particular set. Again, to me bass does not satisfy, but others might disagree.
Versus the Tenores, I definitively prefer the Tenores which have more impact and IMO much better mid range.
Anyhow. Here are some measurements.
Frequency Response
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2676.0;attach=10559;image)
Distortion Right
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2676.0;attach=10561;image)
Distortion Left
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2676.0;attach=10563;image)
I did measure the Tenores that Rich send along with these and they measured very close to the Tenores that I measured in the past.
Here is a comparo:
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2676.0;attach=10565;image)
The channel balance might be a defect of this particular set.
Many thanks to Rich for supplying this set! :)p5
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Lean?!?! :-00
Play around with the seal a bit. A loose seal certainly reduces much of the bass but a full seal is over the top. The only iem I have ever heard that was bassier was the brand TFTA poo
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I thought these were supposed to be uber-bassy?
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I dunno guys. I think the Tenores are more warm, and are more dynamic and detailed while at it.
Maybe there is product variation? Will remeasure.
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UB has very unique ear canals. Puts Astralstorm's to shame.
G, if you want to play around with my ODAC let me know and we can do a swap.
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Yup. Got some pretty wide and deep canals. If I ever find an IEM that is uber-bassy, it will likely blow most peoples minds.
Sure Mike. I would have to do it sometime today, or from this week to next.
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So more measurements again (many times). Note that the comparison is against two different Tenore IEMs so some slight variation might be expected. Driver matching is much superior in the Tenores vs the Verb. Be careful about interpreting stuff past 8 or 9 kHz with these measurements.
(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2676.0;attach=10571;image)
It's all relative. Like I said, to me indeed the Tenores have more heft than the Verb. However, the Verb is not super lean, but is relatively lean vs the Tenores (IMO, not just measurements.) If one likes the Tenores, the Verb is likely not going to cut it. Mostly cuz of the mids.
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Those look like they're not sealing at all. Do you have any other tips to try besides the stock?
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Yeah my Verb has like 20 db's of bass boost and nose dive nearly -20 db's to 3k. So essential it sounds like 40 db's of boost! My Tenore sounds like about 6db's of deep bass boost and has a small peak around 2k or so before shelving the treble down.
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Thanks for taking the measurements!
The results are pretty surprising. I definitely heard more bass out of the Verbs vs the Tenore.
I also agree that the Tenores are the better sounding pair for the sub-$50 price point. Now if you consider the LH Verb Amazon price point of $85, or the original msrp of $149.... :-00
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Those look like they're not sealing at all. Do you have any other tips to try besides the stock?
It's a matter of compensation. A combination of reverse DF and a slight bass lift would do it. I believe the IEC couplers might have a similar curve.
I'd take a look at the relative differences between the Tenores and Verb. The Verb has a shitload more bass than the Tenores.
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(https://cymbacavum.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/screenshot_2015-04-08-12-07-48-1.png?w=764&h=557)
It is the data from my measurement rig + Diffuse Field Target Compensation.
Maybe there is QC problem or product variation? Or because of sound leakage
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Those look like they're not sealing at all. Do you have any other tips to try besides the stock?
I used the big tips which are the only ones that fit me. With those tips the Tenores had more bass on this particular set. Could be that somehow there was some leakage when using the big tips. I should indeed have used more tips.
Also, the difference between left and right driver point to driver variations.
Anax has the Verbs while Rich has his Tenores back.
Mids are shit in the Verbs.
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Just heard these.
Absolutely disgusting piece of garbage