CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS
Lobby => Headphone, IEM, and Other Audio Related Discussion => Topic started by: Lumos on October 24, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
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ahoy
Has anybody heard this TASCAM TH02? see how they measure http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/canjam-rmaf-2013-tascam-th-02-low-cost-sealed-headphones
Is this Tylls measurement mistake or something?
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We are talking about 30$ can!!! yes 30
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There are some inexpensive cans that measure great believe it or not. The Creative Aurvana Live! is one of them for example. I'm sure these are real measurements.
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donunus
I can not believe my eyes... measurements show they go down quite deep and linear, incredible low distortion even HD650 have more D2 distortion, HE400 have significantly more distortion, impulse response shows some ringing but they are OK, I can mod them....
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I wonder how much better the model $10 more expensive will be. Based on the video, they are supposed to be even better. I'm not talking about the supposedly bassier model by the way which is also already posted on their website.
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I wonder how much better the model $10 more expensive will be. Based on the video, they are supposed to be even better. I'm not talking about the supposedly bassier model by the way which is also already posted on their website.
Given a lot of headphones on Tyll's measurement setup show dips in the upper mids/lower treble and a spike around 10KHz, even some really excellent ones, these headphones look pretty damn good. And not even just for $30.
I think I'll have to get a pair.
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Indeed they look like they are very well-behaved drivers. Potential new drivers for extensive modding?
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I wonder how much better the model $10 more expensive will be. Based on the video, they are supposed to be even better. I'm not talking about the supposedly bassier model by the way which is also already posted on their website.
Given a lot of headphones on Tyll's measurement setup show dips in the upper mids/lower treble and a spike around 10KHz, even some really excellent ones, these headphones look pretty damn good. And not even just for $30.
I think I'll have to get a pair.
Yes exactly, The 10khz spike is probably less than the graph says it to be based on other cans I've listened to with that shape on Ty'lls graphs but still interested in the black ones that are supposed to come out within this week.
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I ordered it.
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which one did you order? the 02? or the one higher up the line?
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Looks like the OE for Ultrasone.
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I ordered it.
Purrin I can't wait until I see your measurements :)p1 :)p6
Flaws they do exhibit are absolutely OK since current headphone market is full of much more expensive headphones with more flaws.
I need to see driver construction and CSD to figure out how I can mod them... Ordering now
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It will be interesting to compare them to the TH-MX2 when they come out at only $9 more.
http://tascam.com/product/th-mx2/ (http://tascam.com/product/th-mx2/)
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Thats the one I was waiting for. Even with everything else the same in the measurements then with just the 10khz being less peaky, this would be insane meaurementwise and I definitely need to buy one just for curiosity sake. The funny thing is that shipping to the philippines will cost more than the cans themselves LOL
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It will be interesting to compare them to the TH-MX2 when they come out at only $9 more.
http://tascam.com/product/th-mx2/ (http://tascam.com/product/th-mx2/)
They look quite nice also, it seems tascam took design from Audio-Technica M30... :)p8
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M30, MDR7506, DT250, DT48 and a load more models from the past.
I once considered the M30/35s but I could not find enough information to decide
Pro-Audio, affordable and Tyll likes the product. I am checking the website...
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M30, MDR7506, DT250, DT48 and a load more models from the past.
I once considered the M30/35s but I could not find enough information to decide
Pro-Audio, affordable and Tyll likes the product. I am checking the website...
I own M30, they are OK headphone and quite good for the price, average soundstage for closed, OK isolation, pads are little small not fully over ear, bass is good and reasonably deep but have slightly long decay, not particularly boomy, (depends what you are after) vocals are decent, not as recessed treble as people describe. I am using them at work. not HI-FI cans.
I suggest try this Tascam stuff for the half price :)p8
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Superlux also made some nice value-for-money headphones.
Tascam's MX2 is the most interesting of the bunch.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=headfiorg-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fredirect.html%3Fie%3DUTF8%26linkCode%3Dur2%26camp%3D1789%26creative%3D9325%26tag%3Dheadfiorg-20%26location%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.amazon.com%252Fgp%252Fredirect.html%253Fie%253DUTF8%2526linkCode%253Dur2%2526camp%253D1789%2526creative%253D9325%2526tag%253Dheadfiorg-20%2526location%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.amazon.com%25252FTeac-CT-H02-B-CT-H02-Multi-Use-Headphone%25252Fdp%25252FB00CMO2WT4%25252F
Apparently an OEM is making these. Teac uses the same exact headphones. Tends to be a few dollars cheaper, just make sure of the color via model number as someone ended up with pink even though the page said black.
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Teac and Tascam are essentially the same company.
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I believe Tascam is the "pro" side of the Teac company.
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I believe Tascam is the "pro" side of the Teac company.
And Teac is audiophile brand of Panasonic. Then there's Esoteric...
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Superlux also made some nice value-for-money headphones.
Tascam's MX2 is the most interesting of the bunch.
Yeah MX2 is really interesting... I do like headband style and It would be comfortable enough for me at least better than Shure SRH940 which deserves walk the plank2 for designing such headband
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Superlux also made some nice value-for-money headphones.
Tascam's MX2 is the most interesting of the bunch.
problem with the superluxes is that all of the ones I have tried had a cheap sounding brightness to them which made me prefer even the cheap Sennheiser hd201 over them. The senns were a little bright and lacked bass but they still remained more musical than the superluxes.
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Nasty treble peaks? Mod or EQ! :)p17
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Has anyone heard these yet?
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Nasty treble peaks? Mod or EQ! :)p17
For Superlux and others? Check Solderdude's previous posts/publications here and his previous hang outs.
I checked for availability in Europe. Nope...
Via Ebay to Europe for Tascam's 02, good deals are there. I am skipping this one given the Tascam cannot replace the K181 for me...
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I just ordered both, TH-MX2 and TH02 =). I like to use HP's once and a while.
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I believe Tascam is the "pro" side of the Teac company.
And Teac is audiophile brand of Panasonic. Then there's Esoteric...
Interesting. There's no mention of Panasonic on the wiki page, but there is this...
TEAC has four divisions:
TASCAM - consumer to professional audio products, mostly recording
ESOTERIC - High-end consumer audio products
TEAC Consumer Electronics - Mass market audio products
Data Storage and Disk Publishing Products - Floppy drives, DVD and CD recorders and drives, MP3 players & NAS storage
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I just ordered both, TH-MX2 and TH02 =). I like to use HP's once and a while.
Let us know what you think of both when you get them :)p7
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I believe Tascam is the "pro" side of the Teac company.
And Teac is audiophile brand of Panasonic. Then there's Esoteric...
I think it's Technics and not TEAC
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Yes Technics is panasonic and national
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National Panasonic, Technics? Whatever you call it one thing is for sure: when this company really invests money into a market and a specific range of products you know that they have serious technologies and resources at their disposal.
Just like Philips, when 'they' want to they can make a knock-out product...
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Picked these up on friday and have since been listening to them, they are for sure a nice surprise!
My observations so far (please note that I have not listened to a whole lot of headphones, so YMMV):
- These do not seem to be the most resolving, but they also do not hype detail at all, so I'm not entirely sure they are not capable of more.
- The background is kinda grayish, which leads me to believe there are a bit of not-so-offensive resonances going on. There's absolutely no damping inside the cheap plastic cup.
- The cups are ultimately sealed by the earpad sleeves, so I put a round of electric tape just in case.
- The FR once you achieve a proper seal is fantastic, the bass strikes a very nice balance for the driver size, I also don't mind the 'recessed' upper midrange that much, in fact, most DF equalized headphones I find quite strident @ around 3 KHz. The 9KHz peak is not very bothersome, but I did EQ it down a bit. All in all very neutral sounding.
- The earpads are too stiff and a proper seal is very difficult for me to achieve (smallish noggin), the soundstage with the stock pads is also very flat and kinda meh, and the center image is weak.
- I tried rising the earpads using a pair of spare fostex pads stacked over and the soundstage improved very much in width, depth and focus. These are definitely held back by the mediocre pads.
- Isolation is kinda low but it could be improved upon with better pads and maybe some damping.
These are already quite enjoyable and useful for tuning my T50RPs. I'm also very eager to see how far can modding take these!
Edit: Earpads are 85-90mm in diameter, any replacement ideas are very welcome!
Addendum: These are going to get huge ;)
More: Removing the back covers opens up the soundstage a bit and improves the high-frequency extension and overall clarity, while the tonal balance remains mostly unchanged. Purrin, if you're reading this, please measure with the lids off too!
Better earpads yield the most dramatic improvement without a doubt... still looking for a pair of decent 90mm pads, the taller the better.
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More: Removing the back covers
Better earpads yield the most dramatic improvement without a doubt... still looking for a pair of decent 90mm pads, the taller the better.
Did you unscrew the lids? Can you post up pics?
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I did unscrew the baffle to help remove the lids from the inside, ended up having to use a fair amount of force, however. Here's a gallery (http://imgur.com/a/0P8PZ) courtesy of Arve @ innerfidelity.
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Where do I get one in EU? Alternatively, at a place taking PayPal, preferably without shipping charges being 2/3 the price of the headphones and without duties.
Yes, I happen to need non-80s-looking portable headphones for some time. I could instead move my butt, fix and mod my antique Beyers DT230. (second headphones owned ever, ha) But I'm lazy, Beyers are bass depleted and I'd have to make new pads for them.
I wonder if these are yet more Fostex OEMs... Also the design reminds me of JVC HA-S400, hopefully less flimsy.
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They should become widely available in pro-audio stores. These are decent portables since they are fairly efficient and sound great out of my Clip Zip, but will not isolate much unless you have a big head or get ahold of some proper earpads.
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Awe shucks... my TH-MX2 is on back order. I'll be getting the TH02 first by thursday. Oh well... I'll just need to wait.
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Seems like Fostex has some entry level HPS. The Th5BB and the TH7. Anyone heard anything of these?
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I just got the Th02. I'm surprised... they sound better than I thought they would. No hype. Just clear and the bass hits well. I'll need to burn them in though. I should be getting the MX2 soon. I'm using them with the Leckerton UHA-6S and it sounds good....lol.
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Don't forget to update us on how the mx2 compares
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np will do. Oh man... I'm not liking the ear pads at all. They are so stiff... and uncomfortable. I need another...lol. Any suggestions? And where to get them?
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Thats the other reason I wasn't interested in the th-02. SUPRAAURAL :) And cheap supraaural means vinyl pads usually so it may not be that comfy.
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They are larger supra auras and I find them decent in terms of comfort. I think I could game with them. So far they are not too bad. A bit reverby from internal cup resonances. The plastic resonates too. These issue can be fixed.
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Planning a driver transplant with these. From what I have read the driver could be well worth it.
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Ya I can hear some reverb. I think it hurts for me because I'm using my glasses with it. When it isn't on its not bad.
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I had to do some minor modifications to these guys to get them to sit on my head properly -- even the smallest setting was several clicks too big for my head! My personal experiences was that these guys had a decent amount of bass roll-off and were uncomfortable as sin, but I've later realized that both of these problems were related to me being unable to wear them properly and get a good seal.
I busted out my Silverstone acoustic foam and applied two layers to the headband to kind of artificially make my head longer. Now I'm able to properly get a seal when I wear them. Initial impressions are quite good.
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I tried cutting a small piece of sock and taping it onto the lids. It seems to have taken off some treble but it doesn't sound as open. But still clear. Bass doesn't seem too affected by this also... only way to find out to see if it worked would be to test um. I'm just going by hearing. I also cut some small long pieces to put along the inside of the cup near the wires. Just fiddling around. Hard to tell if it really worked...lol
So I took one side out of the socks, and put back on the lid. The bass is more pronounced on the side I didn't take out the Sock.
The side without the sock sounds more open but still has some reverb...hmmm :-Z
Anyone else fiddle around with theirs?
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I did, I tried stuffing the cups with cotton and some sort of hemp fiber fluff. I couldn't strike a nice balance since most trials resulted in diminished sub-bass, so I took it out. Think I need something to dampen without reducing the cup volume as much, however, I'd rather fix the structural resonances which I feel are drowning the details more.
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Marv, any plans on measuring those?
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Very soon.
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TH02 tweaking.
Try cotton pads in the cup perhaps. Cheap and sometimes effective when the problem is above 4kHz. Otherwise PU foam.
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PU foam?
I tried to cut up some old shirts. I made them into a circle about the size of the ear pads. Put them in the ear pads at first to see how it sounded, sounded muffled. Then tried to put them in the cups and it took the treble down a notch. Its bare able and still sounds good.
I just ordered some dynamat from amazon hoping to try this out.
http://www.amazon.com/Dynamat-13100-DynaTape-Sound-Deadener/dp/B002WP362U/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1383553800&sr=8-5&keywords=dynamat
I figured this should be good enough? Or should I have gone thicker?
I'm not trying to get these to sound perfect. I just want the treble not to agitating.