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Title: America is Bad
Post by: Marvey on March 07, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
http://news.uci.edu/briefs/asuci-president-offers-statement-on-flag-ban-bill/ (http://news.uci.edu/briefs/asuci-president-offers-statement-on-flag-ban-bill/)

ASUCI president offers statement on flag ban bill
Six undergraduate members of the ASUCI Legislative Council passed a bill that bans hanging a flag from any nation in the common lobby area of the student government offices.
This legislation is not endorsed or supported in any way by the campus leadership.
The Executive Cabinet of the student government will meet Saturday to discuss a veto. A motion to veto and a second are on the table. One more vote is needed for a veto.
ASUCI president Reza Zomorrodian has gone on record opposing the legislation.
Here is his message to students:
Please forward your concerns to these emails: president@asuci.uci.edu andcouncilspeaker@asuci.uci.edu
The ASUCI Legislative Council recently passed a piece of legislation regarding the display of the American flag and its prohibition of display in ASUCI common space. I stand firmly against this piece of legislation, though I understand the authors intent and supporters intent, I disagree with the solution the council has come to. I speak for myself about my feelings on this piece of legislation. However, as chair of the Executive Cabinet, we will be having a conversation about this piece of legislation and deciding what course of action the cabinet will take collectively. If you have any questions regarding the legislation and your elected office’s stance, please contact the respective executive or council member. Please forward your concerns to these emails:president@asuci.uci.edu and councilspeaker@asuci.uci.edu Reference for the legislation can be found here:
http://www.asuci.uci.edu/legislative/legislations/print.php?cnum=R50-70&gov_branch=ASUCI (http://www.asuci.uci.edu/legislative/legislations/print.php?cnum=R50-70&gov_branch=ASUCI)


Thank you,
Reza Zomorrodian
ASUCI President
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Marvey on March 07, 2015, 05:54:50 AM
I'm glad there are some people who have some sense, but how the fuck or who the fuck comes up with this shit at our universities?
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 07, 2015, 06:19:35 AM
but how the fuck or who the fuck comes up with this shit at our universities?

The tenured professors that like to armchair quarterback from ivory towers. Compensation for the inability to deal with the truth of unpleasant realities, or get off their asses to effect real changes due to lack of personal courage and fortitude. It's like Bin Laden getting everyone else to blow themselves up while he hides behind his wives.

It's the same lame political deconstructionism being regurgitated over and over again for decades. Somehow nations and borders are fascist tools of social control, but forcing Kwanzaa (a non existent tradition) into the calendar and naming every other street in LA Cesar Chavez is 'enlightened'. The kids aren't coming up with this stuff independently on their own over all these generations.

Then again, the fact that illegal aliens get free taxpayer subsidized in-state UC tuition when other legal citizens of the United States are restricted from receiving the same might promulgate the idea that flags and nations are evil.

Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: OJneg on March 07, 2015, 06:37:21 AM
Reza Zomorrodian

Thank Mithra!
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 07, 2015, 07:13:00 AM
Has someone suggested and made a new flag stating "This Is My United States of Whatever!" by Liam Lynch. Go random and mock the politically correct until their wit is at their wits end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3nDQFickqY

I would make a flag stating: "I fart in you general direction!" Maybe a bit British but still good for a laugh...
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Claritas on March 07, 2015, 07:21:05 AM
I'm glad there are some people who have some sense, but how the fuck or who the fuck comes up with this shit at our universities?

The same people who promote BDS petitions against Israel. Basically, people who forgot that we're the Good Guys.
Like . . . the president?
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 07, 2015, 07:24:18 AM
The same people who promote BDS petitions against Israel. Basically, people who forgot that we're the Good Guys, like . . . the president.

The president is merely the salesman who is the face of his puppet masters. Without Wall Street and a few other stakeholders Obama would be another senator of the U.S. The Netherlands are not much different, our "democratic systems of government" sometimes have stakeholders with too much influence.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: anetode on March 07, 2015, 07:52:46 AM
Don't worry, the US flags will simply be replaced by the Gadsden flag by the true believers  :)p17

Waste of time either way, like almost all other student 'governance'.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: aufmerksam on March 07, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
My god that is the dumbest fucking thing.

It doesn't count unless they also file their sovereign citizen declarations and stop paying taxes.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 08, 2015, 01:04:45 AM
Really?  Political leaders are influenced by big money and corporate money?? I'm shocked. But if you get on Obama's ass, then get on all their asses too. Just a request, not a political comment.
I have no comment on the flag issue. Too many other things on my mind. Like mass extinctions and other stuff.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: OJneg on March 08, 2015, 01:31:29 AM
Keep in mind these are the same "underrepresented" and "oppressed" minorities who have no problem taking thousands of dollars of federal aid and subsidized loans to attend a public UC school
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 08, 2015, 01:53:56 AM
I have decided to stay out of this discussion as it can only lead to emotional, unreasoned, and unproductive comments that may undo relationships in our online community. Please proceed if you feel it it is necessary. But I must postulate that no one here has enough information to make an informed comment. Including me. No insult intended.

Going back to listening to some music and enjoying my weekend. Good wishes to you all.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Schopenhauer on March 08, 2015, 06:23:45 AM
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Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 08, 2015, 06:53:09 AM
I have decided to stay out of this discussion as it can only lead to emotional, unreasoned, and unproductive comments that may undo relationships in our online community. Please proceed if you feel it it is necessary. But I must postulate that no one here has enough information to make an informed comment. Including me. No insult intended. 

 :-Z You didn't decide to stay out of anything by posting something like that. If you have something to say, fucking say it rather than post hypocritical responses like, "I'm not going to say anything, but let me say none of you know anything. Peace out." What?? Really your post smacks more of trying to save face without knowing wtf to say by saying something as minimal as possible.

If someone isn't big enough to take critique or debate, they are neither pirate nor American and should renounce their citizenship so they can live somewhere that tells them what to do and think. I like to think the friends I make and have in real life can handle the heat otherwise they aren't really friends. Maybe acquaintances...

So by all means if you have something constructive to contribute, do it! Don't go run and hide to the circle jerk comment boards of Huff Post or Salon.com. If you don't want to participate, for whatever reason, then don't. No harm, no foul. But a hit and run using Jedi mind tricks doesn't go over here whether its politics, sports, cars, or audio measurements. We are not the droids you are looking for. Head-fi is the place for that.

Bear in mind if I didn't like you Ron, I'd just ignore your comment and let it stand dismissively.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 08, 2015, 07:16:57 AM
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Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 08, 2015, 08:24:18 AM
These pictures demonstrate that humanity can destroy itself through war, violence, repression and intolerance.

What is the American connection here?
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Armaegis on March 08, 2015, 08:58:29 AM
WTF dudes...
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 08, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
WTF dudes...

Indeed...
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 08, 2015, 05:56:15 PM
These pictures demonstrate that humanity can destroy itself through war, violence, repression and intolerance.

What is the American connection here?

It's a response to the satirical liberal 'America is Bad and the root of evil' picture I quoted. Is it not obvious? Those are all groups that didn't like the American flag and the values it represents either. It's good that some of the youth of America can find commonality with various historical international movements like those rather then their own country.  facepalm

Where do you think using intolerance for the sake of being 'tolerant' gets you? Look at the pictures.


Some people in this country (and probably the rest of the world too) need to reexamine what 'Freedom' means. It doesn't mean 'restriction' it means 'allowance'.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom

Definition of FREEDOM

1

:  the quality or state of being free: as 

a :  the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action 

b :  liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another :  independence 

c :  the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care> 

d :  ease, facility <spoke the language with freedom> 

e :  the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom> 

f :  improper familiarity 

g :  boldness of conception or execution 

h :  unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>

2

a :  a political right 

b :  franchise, privilege



 

 




Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: AustinValentine on March 08, 2015, 06:07:01 PM
It's a response to the satirical liberal 'America is Bad and the root of evil' picture I quoted. Is it not obvious? Those are all groups that didn't like the American flag and the values it represents either. It's good that some of the youth of America can find commonality with various historical international movements rather then their own country.  facepalm

The funny part is - I knew that it was a left satire of "America Uber Alles"-style militarized nationalism, but I was still really rooting for Teddy Roosevelt. Also, I need to find me a radiation symbol belt buckle.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 08, 2015, 07:50:39 PM
It's a response to the satirical liberal 'America is Bad and the root of evil' picture I quoted. Is it not obvious? Those are all groups that didn't like the American flag and the values it represents either. It's good that some of the youth of America can find commonality with various historical international movements like those rather then their own country.  facepalm

Where do you think using intolerance for the sake of being 'tolerant' gets you? Look at the pictures.


Some people in this country (and probably the rest of the world too) need to reexamine what 'Freedom' means. It doesn't mean 'restriction' it means 'allowance'.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom

Definition of FREEDOM

1

:  the quality or state of being free: as 

a :  the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action 

b :  liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another :  independence 

c :  the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care> 

d :  ease, facility <spoke the language with freedom> 

e :  the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom> 

f :  improper familiarity 

g :  boldness of conception or execution 

h :  unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>

2

a :  a political right 

b :  franchise, privilege



 

 






I agree to an extent. To blame another for all things "bad" in an us-versus-them perception is a dangerous thing. "Freedom" is one of the words I detest as it is easily abused without proper context and definition.

The more I read the more I come to the same conclusion as Erasmus, Montaigne and the stoic philosophy. One is free to exist and adapt until death comes. Having some humanistic principles, be they from religious or philosophical origins helps. 
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 08, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
I agree to an extent. To blame another for all things "bad" in an us-versus-them perception is a dangerous thing. "Freedom" is one of the words I detest as it is easily abused without proper context and definition.

The more I read the more I come to the same conclusion as Erasmus, Montaigne and the stoic philosophy. One is free to exist and adapt until death comes. Having some humanistic principles, be they from religious or philosophical origins helps. 


Yup. That's why anarchy sucks. The extreme opposite though is worse if you ask me.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 08, 2015, 08:18:33 PM
Anax: considered your comments. Your're right on this one. I did what I hate others do on forums.  :spank: No mind tricks intended. 
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 08, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
So I will say what I think. The flag thing is stupid. It's an American University, paid for with lots of American tax dollars. Seems like a waste of time and energy when so many other things need to be addressed.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 08, 2015, 11:27:12 PM
So I will say what I think. The flag thing is stupid. It's an American University, paid for with lots of American tax dollars. Seems like a waste of time and energy when so many other things need to be addressed.

Thanks Ron. Always feel free to say what you think here even if others disagree. That's the core of this place as you know. We luv ya man.  :-*  :)p5
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 08, 2015, 11:39:54 PM
Thanks Mike for calling me on my shit. That's what friends do, not acquaintances.  ;)  perhaps it was the harp music I was listening to at the time.  :)p8

I was thinking (I know dangerous), but I do wonder how much influence big money donors have on foreign policy? We know the extent is huge on domestic issues, but never gave the other much thought. Not my area, too busy trying to explain angular momentum to confused minds.  :wheel:
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 09, 2015, 01:57:44 AM
Thanks Mike for calling me on my shit. That's what friends do, not acquaintances.  ;)  perhaps it was the harp music I was listening to at the time.  :)p8

I was thinking (I know dangerous), but I do wonder how much influence big money donors have on foreign policy? We know the extent is huge on domestic issues, but never gave the other much thought. Not my area, too busy trying to explain angular momentum to confused minds.  :wheel:

No worries man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEQshrACCEA

To the rest of your question, here's my take:

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Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 09, 2015, 02:49:04 AM
I used to work for AIG. And we should all be VERY worried. Agree with your analysis. They just take advantage of circumstances to make profit. They don't create the circumstances.

AIG is another story. I can say no more. Even after you quit, I've heard they track you for life!  :)p13

Glad to know if I'm ever attached by a giant insect, you'd have my back.  :&
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 09, 2015, 04:59:50 AM
Glad to know if I'm ever attached by a giant insect, you'd have my back.  :&

Better me than shipsupt. He was in the Navy.  :o  )( :D
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 09, 2015, 06:11:32 AM
I understand. So was my Dad. Hellcat pilot. Wonder I'm still alive.  :-0
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Anaxilus on March 09, 2015, 06:24:04 AM
I understand. So was my Dad. Hellcat pilot. Wonder I'm still alive.  :-0

Hellcat's are pretty cool! Did he ever get a Corsair? Mine was jarhead at Pearl Harbor and Korea.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Ringingears on March 09, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
He got checked out on the  Corsair, then they stayed with the Hellcat. I got to see a Hellcat  back at the Air and Space Museum in D.C. Still a very cool looking plane. He always wanted to get into a P-51 but never got the chance. He was also stationed at Pearl, but got out when the War ended.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: funkmeister on March 10, 2015, 09:22:59 PM
The P-51D was the best fighter of the war. Awesome plane... my favorite.

...and the students are still idiots, BTW. Seriously, I understand that people go through evolutions of thinking as they age and gain experience. I just don't understand how universities don't have this stuff under check by now because it's been around and recirculating for so long. It's a predictable, but wrong, stance that many kids take. It hurts, destroys, leads to ruined societies and violence, yet they seem to think it's in the name of safety and peace that there should be no allegiance. Perhaps they need to be taught the reality that anarchy creates a power void that the most assertive and strong fill. If you don't believe that might makes right, then stand behind a country that has their head on about human rights (like the USA). Imperfection exists but is fixed through proactive corrective action, not turning your back on the problem.

OK... vented.
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 11, 2015, 10:11:24 AM
The P-51D was the best fighter of the war. Awesome plane... my favorite.

...and the students are still idiots, BTW. Seriously, I understand that people go through evolutions of thinking as they age and gain experience. I just don't understand how universities don't have this stuff under check by now because it's been around and recirculating for so long. It's a predictable, but wrong, stance that many kids take. It hurts, destroys, leads to ruined societies and violence, yet they seem to think it's in the name of safety and peace that there should be no allegiance. Perhaps they need to be taught the reality that anarchy creates a power void that the most assertive and strong fill. If you don't believe that might makes right, then stand behind a country that has their head on about human rights (like the USA). Imperfection exists but is fixed through proactive corrective action, not turning your back on the problem.

OK... vented.

As a kid I was obsessed with W.W.II and the military strategies used. Military strategy and philosophy is an overlooked part of our culture in my opinion. I consider the P51 Mustang one of the best designed fighter planes ever. I love the history, design and how from a development project it became a bad-ass Rolls-Royce powered super propellor fighter plane.

I am now sort of part of a student movement. I agree with their ideals. I disagree with their approach sometimes. 
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: funkmeister on March 11, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
I am now sort of part of a student movement. I agree with their ideals. I disagree with their approach sometimes.
Let me ask you a question about that. First, a primer: while in my early twenties I recognized and even voiced my likelihood to be emotionally manipulated by people with strong positions and strong supporting arguments. Because of that recognition (and the criticism that came from voicing my recognition of that reality) I kept my opinions to myself on issues where I didn't have a strong principled foundation and an obvious connection between the principle and the issue. This was a decade ago.

Recognizing your reservations about your movement, my question to you is this: does your activism/movement feel diplomatically right, if a bit unrefined, or does it just feel cool to be part of something you mostly believe in which is trying to exert itself with strength?
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: Deep Funk on March 11, 2015, 04:30:55 PM

Recognizing your reservations about your movement, my question to you is this: does your activism/movement feel diplomatically right, if a bit unrefined, or does it just feel cool to be part of something you mostly believe in which is trying to exert itself with strength?


"Cool" does not apply. "Diplomatically right" also does not apply. In the Netherlands the students of today are facing bureaucratic institutions that stifle the input and feedback from students. Yes things can be worse yet the fact that investments and budget cuts tend to hit faculties directly while the "persons in charge" walk away scot free is beyond tolerable.

I have personally been through this and the stress and mismanagement have scarred me for life. When educational institutions forget that their core mission is to provide for their "students" serious issues are a matter of time. In the Netherlands issues tend to get "sweeped under the rug" by higher ups in a gradual way. Look up "SIS", "HvA" and how millions of Euros and thousands of students were sacrificed for the ego of selfish managers.

When I choose sides it is long-term and serious. I prefer to remain polite but am willing to be politically incorrect. I am firstly involved based on personal principle. Without principles I am no better than the worms in the earth. Sorry for my somewhat long-winded response, there are many things at stake for the future generations.     
Title: Re: America is Bad
Post by: 1melomaniac on July 08, 2015, 01:08:12 AM
Keep in mind these are the same "underrepresented" and "oppressed" minorities who have no problem taking thousands of dollars of federal aid and subsidized loans to attend a public UC school

To get back to music:

Some folks are born, made to wave the flag
Ooo, their red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
Ooo, they point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no
Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, y'all
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yeah


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