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Title: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on May 01, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
It seems like quite a few members around here keep a vinyl rig to experience music the good old fashioned analog way. It'd be nice to have this thread where we could discuss latest vinyl purchases, give each other heads up on limited edition runs, well-mastered reissues, vinyl record cleaning/maintenance, or even why vinyl sucks.

Anyway, I finally dug out an old turntable and got my rig set up about a month ago. I'm finding that I've been spending all of my music listening through my turntable, but that's probably just that the new (old) toy feeling hasn't worn off yet.

I picked up a few of those Miles Davis Mono Reissues from Record Store Day (Round About Midnight, Milestones, Miles Ahead), mastered by Kevin Gray, and they sound fantastic. Very warm and natural -- Miles's muted trumpet on Round Midnight doesn't stab my ears the same way my old CD copy did (I want to be clear I'm chalking this up to the mastering and not the format).

Also having lots of fun going through Wilco's (everyone knows they're one of my favorite bands) catalog since I just got most of their vinyl reissues. The vinyls sound great with lots of dynamic range. The packages are a good deal too at $25 you get 180g 2xLP pressed at RTI, thick gatefold and an included CD.

I'm looking through the reissues that Analogue Productions, ORG and Music Matters put out. Pricey as hell @ $50-$60 a pop, but it'd be nice to have some no-holds-barred copies of some of my favorite jazz albums. Any in particular you guys recommend (based on sound quality)?
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on May 01, 2013, 09:16:16 PM
Shoot, I totally forgot about my ulterior motive for starting this thread.

Anyone have experience with the Spin Clean Record Washer? I'm trying to find a way to clean these old dusty records without having to drop VPI type money (plus I don't have the space for it).

(http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/spin_clean_washer_package.jpg)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MuppetFace on May 01, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
I was majorly into vinyl throughout college. My dorm room looked like a record store. For whatever reason (I can think of a few), my heart just hasn't been into it since I moved into my current place. Part of it has to do with storage and boxes and the sheer unwieldiness of my room-sized collection. Funny thing is, I still continue to collect vinyl releases. I'm hopeless.

Anyway, I want to upgrade my turntable setup. When I move again this summer, after I finish the DAC-search nonsense, I'm going to devote myself to getting back into vinyl. I'll probably go with a Basis Audio Signature 1400 or 2200 with their Vector tone arm. Get a cart from ZYX. Not a bad setup.

I also plan on cramming some big Magnepans in my room, but that's neither here nor there...
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 01, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
I just have to say that my VPI was the best money I've spent on any part of my vinyl rig.  The results of really clean vinyl is nothing short of amazing, and getting the noise reduced to minimum when listening to vinyl on headphones is so critical to really enjoy it.  I cannot recommend a good cleaning machine enough.

I've not tried the spin clean, but I've read some pretty positive impressions of it.  I think with good anal cleaning practices you can get pretty good results.

Thanks for starting this thread!  I'm looking forward to getting some great recommendations.

Lately I've been spinning a clear vinyl copy of Rodriguez's Cold Fact.  Loving it! 

I also grabbed some used vinyl when I was walking the Portabello Road Markets.  I grabbed a very clean copy of Never Mind the Bollocks here's the Sex Pistols which is is recorded far better than I anticipated.  The dynamic range is quite good for punk album.  I also grabbed 10000 Maniacs Blind Man's Zoo. 
 

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: timjthomas on May 01, 2013, 10:17:39 PM


Anyone have experience with the Spin Clean Record Washer? I'm trying to find a way to clean these old dusty records without having to drop VPI type money (plus I don't have the space for it).

I have a PHK Record Cleaning Machine.  It works well.  Take a look at the videos at his website: http://www.maquinaphk.xpg.com.br/home.html (http://www.maquinaphk.xpg.com.br/home.html)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MorbidToaster on May 01, 2013, 11:11:56 PM
Of all the stupid decisions I've made in this hobby...getting into vinyl has definitely been the dumbest.

That being said...it's also without a doubt the most rewarding. I feel that since I got into it about a year ago (first time since I was a kid) I've become much more connected with the music I love. It's definitely something special.

One of my more recent poor decisions was my TT of choice, but I'm fixing that soon (if i can stop buying vinyl first). I'll soon be rolling with a Kuzma Stabi/9" Stogi combo and will be upgrading the rest later in the year. After my first taste in the form of a VPI Scout I knew it was something I had to dive head first into.

When it comes to cleaning I can say that while a Spin Clean is better than nothing a proper vacuum cleaning is notcirably better. I'm holing to add a Nitty Gritty to my arsenal down the line.

Another fun big I didn't expect was my girlfriend actually liking the collection aspect of it. I figured she'd just complain about space like she did with CDs, but she really loves the vinyl. :)

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: struggles on May 01, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
A lot of people like the Spin Clean, if you are not cleaning all at once fluid will last a week I believe, though brushes need to be removed each time.

I am currently using an Okki Nokki, I used to clean manually and used disc doctor supplies. In the end a dedicated machine has been a great investment for me. Very accessible and there to be used at any time.

On record store day I picked up a ton of random used stuff, have been cleaning and sleeving here and there as time permits, very convenient.

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: burnspbesq on May 02, 2013, 03:37:04 AM
Shoot, I totally forgot about my ulterior motive for starting this thread.

Anyone have experience with the Spin Clean Record Washer? I'm trying to find a way to clean these old dusty records without having to drop VPI type money (plus I don't have the space for it).

(http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/spin_clean_washer_package.jpg)

I have one and like it. If you're careful, it does a good job.

If $4,000 suddenly fell from the sky, I would probably get an Audio Desk Systeme cleaner, but IMO it's hard to beat the Spin-Clean at anywhere near the price.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on May 02, 2013, 04:15:15 AM
I'm not much of a VPI fan, but the 16.5 RCM definitely delivers for what it costs. I don't know what happened to Benz Micro, but it's too bad that you can't get them anymore. I was hoping to one day be able to have my own LP S-class which was just an awesome heavy metal cart. Miyajima is now definitely on my list, however. I know someone who went from a seriously good Koetsu Rosewood to a Miyajima and was blown away by it. I don't know how they stack up against the insanely good Azule, but at more mortal price levels, I suspect Miyajima will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on May 02, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
Strange things you stumble across on the internet. Being convinced I need a record cleaning machine, I started researching the VPI vs. Okki Nokki vs. Nitty Gritty and came across this: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837

Apparently, folks are having some good success using wood glue to remove all the dirt from their vinyl. It seems like many of them are doing both wood glue + some sort of wash since many of them have dedicated RCM's already. Could be worth a shot to save these 50 cent bargain bin LP's that are basically unlistenable. Anyone ever tried it?

I know what MT means about this being dumb. It's certainly a money pit and these companies know how to appeal to the collector in us by releasing all these limited editions and whatnot.

Case in point, $45 for the new deluxe The National album:
(http://shopusa.4ad.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7/image/350x/85e4522595efc69f496374d01ef2bf13/n/a/national_box.jpg)

As absurd as it is, I ordered anyway. I mean, how could I resist anything with "deluxe" in the title.

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 02, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
I've read a lot about the wood glue cleaning.  Guys have been doing it for a long time now.  I am sure it works fine, but it's a bit over the top for me. 

A used cleaning machine isn't that much money and is certainly a lot easier and faster process.

But be sure to report back if you give it a try!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on May 03, 2013, 02:27:27 AM
This thread looks promising.

My latest LP was Colin Stetson's New History Warfare Vo.2 Judges. I'm familiar with this one already, so we'll see how the LP stacks up to the CD. Constellation tends to put out good stuff.

Also, what cartridges are you guys using? Right now I'm running a SL-1200 with a cheapy AT cart. I'm thinking about getting the Shure M97 or maybe a higher-end AT cart. The Shure seems to be universally lauded, and I'm not impressed with the bass response of my current AT. Any other good budget carts you guys would recommend?
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on May 03, 2013, 05:32:58 AM
Also, what cartridges are you guys using? Right now I'm running a SL-1200 with a cheapy AT cart. I'm thinking about getting the Shure M97 or maybe a higher-end AT cart. The Shure seems to be universally lauded, and I'm not impressed with the bass response of my current AT. Any other good budget carts you guys would recommend?

Denon's DL-103R is generally very highly regarded, and goes for under $400. The A-T OC9 is also superb at its price point.

I just recently switched to a Shelter 7000 which I was able to get for about half off. I don't think it's worth $3400 (Shelters are generally overpriced) and I definitely wasn't going to pay that for it (not with Miyajima out there), but at well under $2K it's pretty damn good, and I think would put up a serious fight against a Yatra or Dynavector XX-2.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on May 03, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
This thread looks promising.

My latest LP was Colin Stetson's New History Warfare Vo.2 Judges. I'm familiar with this one already, so we'll see how the LP stacks up to the CD. Constellation tends to put out good stuff.

Also, what cartridges are you guys using? Right now I'm running a SL-1200 with a cheapy AT cart. I'm thinking about getting the Shure M97 or maybe a higher-end AT cart. The Shure seems to be universally lauded, and I'm not impressed with the bass response of my current AT. Any other good budget carts you guys would recommend?

SL-1200 with M97 is what I'm using now. The M97 replaced a Stanton Discmaster II stylus that I used for DJ'ing. The Stanton was super bright and etched, and I was convinced I needed a tube phono stage to take the edge off, but don't feel that way anymore after installing the M97. It's much smoother and warmer.

I don't have any experience with any other cartridges though and my vinyl setup is very budget-fi so I'm not the right person to ask. I've been listening to it for about 3 hours a night since I got the Shure installed though which should say something. I may think about upgrading this vinyl rig when I move, but for now I'm enjoying the heck out of it.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 03, 2013, 05:32:18 PM
The M97 has given me many hours of enjoyment.  It's a solid performer for the price.  And it is quite versatile on many tables and arms.



Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MorbidToaster on May 03, 2013, 05:56:50 PM
Also, what cartridges are you guys using? Right now I'm running a SL-1200 with a cheapy AT cart. I'm thinking about getting the Shure M97 or maybe a higher-end AT cart. The Shure seems to be universally lauded, and I'm not impressed with the bass response of my current AT. Any other good budget carts you guys would recommend?

Denon's DL-103R is generally very highly regarded, and goes for under $400. The A-T OC9 is also superb at its price point.

I just recently switched to a Shelter 7000 which I was able to get for about half off. I don't think it's worth $3400 (Shelters are generally overpriced) and I definitely wasn't going to pay that for it (not with Miyajima out there), but at well under $2K it's pretty damn good, and I think would put up a serious fight against a Yatra or Dynavector XX-2.

Do you have any experience with EMT carts, Dave? I've gotten the suggestion for EMT from 2 dealers now as another option next to the XX-2. Gotta say it's got me curious when the time comes for a new cart.

As for a suggestions within a few hundred bucks...I quite like my current 10x5 running from my MM setting on my PHO-8.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 03, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
Someone posted this up on one of the vinyl threads on Head-Fi.  It's a long documentary but so classic at times.  Find a couple of hours to watch this some time! 

Sorry, I'm not tech savy enough to embed the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNRvB8lyRSM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNRvB8lyRSM)


Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on May 03, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Do you have any experience with EMT carts, Dave? I've gotten the suggestion for EMT from 2 dealers now as another option next to the XX-2. Gotta say it's got me curious when the time comes for a new cart.

As for a suggestions within a few hundred bucks...I quite like my current 10x5 running from my MM setting on my PHO-8.

I'm afraid not, no. I've heard some of the Benz carts, Shelters, A-Ts, Regas, Koetsus, and a few others, but there's just so many of them out there. By far the fugliest cart I've ever seen is the London Decca Jubilee. It's a great cart, but it costs $2900 and it looks like something that would've come stock on a table in the '70s.

(http://hifipig.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/London-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Stapsy on May 04, 2013, 04:15:50 AM
Someone posted this up on one of the vinyl threads on Head-Fi.  It's a long documentary but so classic at times.  Find a couple of hours to watch this some time! 

Sorry, I'm not tech savy enough to embed the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNRvB8lyRSM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNRvB8lyRSM)

I just watched the documentary.  It is funny to see the expressions on the people's faces when they realize that their record collecting is no longer about the music.  Even though I don't collect records I think the comparison's to hi-fi is quite apt.  It reminded me to avoid obsessing about my gear and to enjoy the music.  The collecting, testing, and comparison's are a fun part of the hobby, but it's a fine line to avoid driving yourself crazy in the process.  That being said you guys are really making me want to break out my vinyl  :spank:
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on May 04, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
Would the the M97 be a good match for the SL-1200's arm in terms of mass/compliance? As I understand, the arm has a middle-of-the-road mass and so does the M97 in terms of compliance.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 04, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
It's a fine match.  There are a lot of folks running the M97 on the SL-1200 out there.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 04, 2013, 05:08:33 PM
Wow, I love the asthetics of this thing!  Really brings me back to the console I grew up with, tubes and all. :wheel:

http://www.symbolaudio.com/collection/modern-record-console/#!prettyPhoto (http://www.symbolaudio.com/collection/modern-record-console/#!prettyPhoto)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on May 04, 2013, 05:14:18 PM
Wow, I love the asthetics of this thing!  Really brings me back to the console I grew up with, tubes and all. :wheel:

http://www.symbolaudio.com/collection/modern-record-console/#!prettyPhoto (http://www.symbolaudio.com/collection/modern-record-console/#!prettyPhoto)

Yeah it's cool. I wonder what the speakers are in those, they look like Omega Super 6s.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MorbidToaster on May 04, 2013, 05:30:50 PM
I've seen a lot of companies doing consoles like that lately and it's got me wondering how big the market for something like that really is...
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on May 09, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
So thanks to struggles's heads up, I sprang for a cheap Nitty Gritty on Audiogon that just arrived yesterday. Anyone have a favorite solution or cleaning brush that they like? I'm looking at the MoFi brush and MoFi deep cleaner which seem generally well-liked. Make a case for your favorite solution before I order!

Anyway, stopped over at Amoeba yesterday and had some great finds. The best of which is this Japanese mono pressing of Clifford Brown and Max Roach for $7. It was in great shape too:
(http://i.imgur.com/MhaRTBW.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: struggles on May 10, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Nice, let us know what you think about it. I have used DD/Mofi brushes and the standard no-rinse solutions, never really had any problem with anything, I am going to try the Walker system.

I am really happy with this Carnegie Madrigal 2 I picked up, also found an older R100h for a good price, will listen to it over the weekend.
Title: Lucky Find
Post by: struggles on May 18, 2013, 03:51:45 AM
Today I stumbled across a brand new Kenwood 770d, original owner, never used. A bit hard to believe but he was certainly telling the truth, set it up briefly before leaving town and am really happy with it. Going to mess around with it when I get back.

(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/strugglesness/IMG_20130517_174951_899_zpsfe1c7695.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/strugglesness/media/IMG_20130517_174951_899_zpsfe1c7695.jpg.html)

(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/strugglesness/IMG_20130517_175209_421_zpsa96b0ce1.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/strugglesness/media/IMG_20130517_175209_421_zpsa96b0ce1.jpg.html)

(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/strugglesness/IMG_20130517_175156_189_zpse3e7343b.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/strugglesness/media/IMG_20130517_175156_189_zpse3e7343b.jpg.html)

(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/strugglesness/IMG_20130517_180515_363_zps275e7c79.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/strugglesness/media/IMG_20130517_180515_363_zps275e7c79.jpg.html)

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on May 18, 2013, 09:23:04 AM
Wow, super clean.  Great table.  Very classy and a solid performer.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Deep Funk on May 19, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Brand new, lucky you...
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on June 06, 2013, 03:50:47 PM
Heads up if anyone was interested in the Beatles stereo box set, it is on sale today for $199 CAD on Amazon.ca.

There were issues with the first US Rainbo pressings, but I just confirmed with customer service that they are shipping the EU boxes pressed at Optimal. He said if for some reason I receive a US box, then I could exchange it for no charge.

Just ordered a set, and it came out to $211 shipped.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: ocswing on June 06, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
I don't even have a vinyl rig and that's tempting.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on June 06, 2013, 05:03:55 PM
Heads up if anyone was interested in the Beatles stereo box set, it is on sale today for $199 CAD on Amazon.ca.

There were issues with the first US Rainbo pressings, but I just confirmed with customer service that they are shipping the EU boxes pressed at Optimal. He said if for some reason I receive a US box, then I could exchange it for no charge.

Just ordered a set, and it came out to $211 shipped.

What the heck, shipping was cheap for me too, I just grabbed a box.  Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on June 07, 2013, 08:36:10 PM
Mine shipped yesterday afternoon and I received it today. Got the German pressed copies. Score.

Mainly got it for the big book -- which is glorious.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on July 26, 2013, 08:35:40 PM
Heads up to any Blue Sky Black Death fans, Slyvinyl (a blog about limited edition and colored vinyl) started doing vinyl runs on their own. The first release is a vinyl pressing of Blue Sky Black Death's NOIR album. Limited to 500, heavyweight colored vinyl in a gatefold sleeve. Preorder it here: http://store.slyvinyl.com/product/noir-deluxe-edition

(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/121661685/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/blue-sky-black-death-noir-2011.jpg)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on August 04, 2013, 12:09:47 PM
Has anyone ever heard the Soundsmith cartridges?  I am searching for a high compliance cartridge to go with my very light SME 3009 improved fixed head shell tone arm.  6.5g!  There are just not that many modern options.  The Soundsmith stuff, on paper, looks like a good match, light weight, high compliance, etc...

I'm also thinking that an Ortofon 2M back would be OK as well.  A little heavier, but for a modern cartridge fairly high compliance and the recommended tracking force is OK too.  I've heard it's a damned good MM, but I've not heard one yet.



Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on August 05, 2013, 03:08:16 AM
I've only heard the Sussurro which is a really nice cart but a LOT of money, and I think Koetsu and Miyajima carts are better for that kind of scratch. The 2M Black is very popular and really solid for the money.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on August 05, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Yeah, this is going on the Hydraulic Reference with SME 3009 II improved tonearm, so not looking to go over the top on a cartridge. 

I've got a lead on some vintage stuff as well, but I think I'd like to try a modern cartridge to get the most out of this rig that I can...

More research...
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on August 26, 2013, 05:55:04 PM
Might as well post this here. The Analog Planet cartridge comparison.

First article w/ file downloads: http://www.analogplanet.com/content/nine-cartridge-survey-produces-audible-results

Result and Reveal article. Don't open this if you want to try comparing yourself: http://www.analogplanet.com/content/nine-cartridges-compared-reviewed-and-voting-results

Obviously this sort of test is fraught with error. The biggest problem being these files are not level matched. But I felt as if the distinction between cartridges could be made. I made my own comparison w/ notes a month ago. I'll post that in a bit.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on October 04, 2013, 10:54:09 PM
Interesting video for all of the DR database guys out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AE9dL5FG8
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on October 05, 2013, 05:10:55 AM
Interesting video for all of the DR database guys out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AE9dL5FG8

The problem with Ian's argument is that he's using the rare exception - a dynamic, well produced CD master that's suitable to go straight to vinyl. The vast majority of the time that just isn't the case, at least with mainstream music releases. Most of the time you simply cannot cut a typical brickwalled CD master to vinyl without at the very least dropping the peak level, or you'll risk destroying the cutting lathe.

Vinyl releases that are otherwise identical to the CD do often seem to gain a few points on the DR meter, and I'm not sure why that is either. However, you generally do not go from a DR4 or DR5 smashed to hell CD to a vinyl release that measures DR12 with the same master. Ian fails to point that out. The TT meter is inaccurate with digital vinyl rips, but I wouldn't say that it's entirely useless.

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on October 05, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Dave, I think you completely missed the point. He doesn't claim that CD's aren't brickwalled, or that people that think vinyl always sound better are delusional. He simply cautions people not to treat a single measurement, or source of information, as dogma -- the same way purrin here cautions people from treating his CSD's as gospel. The DR value is one data point, and informed consumers should still seek out mastering information rather than using the DR as "proof" that it's a different master.

It's just a simple reminder for people to do their due diligence when making a purchase.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on October 06, 2013, 01:12:57 AM
Sometimes I listen to a track and think it sounds pretty good in terms of dynamics and musical flow. Then I run it through DR meter and it's subpar. So while the DR value is a useful data point, it's not terribly indicative of a good mix/master all the time. I like too much music that "performs" poorly in that regard to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on October 06, 2013, 05:57:47 AM
Sometimes I listen to a track and think it sounds pretty good in terms of dynamics and musical flow. Then I run it through DR meter and it's subpar. So while the DR value is a useful data point, it's not terribly indicative of a good mix/master all the time. I like too much music that "performs" poorly in that regard to believe otherwise.

When you're at DR8 and above, the sound has a lot more to do with the recording and engineering than just pure dynamic range. Start dropping below DR7 though and compression *will* have a negative effect. You can use studio tricks and EQ to try and make up for it, but it's never as good as the real thing. With each point drop below DR7, the compression does exponentially more damage. DR3 is unlistenable, no matter who is behind the controls.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: 6 on November 15, 2013, 07:39:37 PM
Warp Records have reissued Boards Of Canada albums and Eps on vinyl. These are available in two bundles.

Album bundle includes:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/eg6adj.jpg)
'Music Has The Right To Children' (WARPLP55R) - 2 x LP Gatefold Vinyl - 140g pressing cut from original metalwork. . Like the original pressing this does not include Happy Cycling which appears on the currently available CD.
Includes Skam braille sticker and transparent blue Boards of Canada sticker.

'Geogaddi' (WARPLP101R) 3 x LP Gatefold Vinyl - 140g pressing recut by Noel Summerville from original DAT master. Includes etching on side F.
Includes sticker sheet with hexagon die cut stickers.

'The Campfire Headphase' (WARPLP123R) 2 x LP Gatefold Vinyl - 140g pressing cut from original metalwork.
Includes circular blue sticker


EP Bundle includes
(http://i44.tinypic.com/4r5o92.jpg)

Twoism (WARPLP70R) – 1 × LP Black Vinyl – 140g
Includes green and yellow tDR designed sticker.

In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country (WAP144R) – 1 × LP Black Vinyl – 140g
Includes sticker postcard with die cut windows.

Trans Canada Highway (WAP200R) – 1 × LP Black Vinyl – 140g
Includes Trans Canada sticker.


The bundles are available at Bleep.com
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on December 03, 2013, 05:57:06 PM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with Records On Walls, but they launched a kickstarter campaign recently: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/581728711/recordsonwalls-vinyl-record-frames

Part of the appeal of collecting records for me is having large pretty album art to look at. I could never get on board with normal LP frames because of how difficult it would be to actually listen to the framed record. The Records On Walls frames lets you display the album art, and gives you quick access to them. Plus they're cheaper than most standard LP frames.

Here's a photo gallery of some of people's walls: http://www.recordsonwalls.com/vinyl-record-frame-image-gallery/

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on December 03, 2013, 07:25:28 PM
Awesome!  My wife and I have been redecorating my man cave/listening room and we've been looking or something cool like this!  I'm jumping on board!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on December 03, 2013, 07:36:10 PM
Yeah, some of those man-caves in the picture gallery look cool.

You can also order through his website (www.recordsonwalls.com) if you don't want to wait until April for the new version of the frames comes out. But I don't think he ships internationally yet (only to North America), but I'm sure you can find a courier to bring them over for you. The difference in cost between order from him directly, or getting on board the kickstarter is immaterial.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: givemevinyl on December 03, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
I used to have the full-framed ones that were designed only to be seen and not used; these are much better.  Thanks so much for the tip.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: givemevinyl on December 03, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
And for what it's worth, I highly recommend the music played on his kickstarter video (Jim Guthrie, Takes Time).
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on December 04, 2013, 11:14:24 AM
His Kickstarter is shipping international.  I can wait. 

Yeah, some of those man-caves in the picture gallery look cool.

You can also order through his website (www.recordsonwalls.com) if you don't want to wait until April for the new version of the frames comes out. But I don't think he ships internationally yet (only to North America), but I'm sure you can find a courier to bring them over for you. The difference in cost between order from him directly, or getting on board the kickstarter is immaterial.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on December 13, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
Good news for anyone that wants some well-mastered Blue Note stuff, but don't like dealing with the 45rpm 2LP format. Music Matters is doing a 33rpm reissue series of some of the more famous Blue Note albums. These 12 have been announced:

BLP- 1577  John Coltrane - Blue Train
BST- 84154 Grant Green - Idle Moments
BST- 84031 Hank Mobley - Soul Station
BST- 84123 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue
BST- 84041Tina Brooks - True Blue
BST- 84112 Dexter Gordon - Go!
BST- 84140 Joe Henderson - Page One
BST- 84003 Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers - Moanin' 
BST- 84157 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
BST- 84059 Kenny Drew - Undercurrent
BST- 81588 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin'
BST- 81595 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else

It looks like Kevin Gray is doing the mastering on them, who did most of these albums already in the 45rpm format (either through Music Matters or Analogue Productions). As DaveBSC can attest to, all of the Music Matters releases are excellent.

http://www.musicmattersjazz.com/Default.asp
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Armaegis on January 02, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
Well that's a good way to wreck your vinyl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNGxDAiTxaQ

I'm surprised it managed to track at those speeds, much less play anything.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on January 03, 2014, 02:34:37 PM
The Pixies are continuing their new mini-releases.  EP-2 is out.  I grabbed the 10" Vinyl deal, 1 of 4000. 

http://www.pixiesmusic.com (http://www.pixiesmusic.com)

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on January 28, 2014, 09:33:22 PM
Does any one in the UK/Europe have a recommendation for vinyl cleaner solution?  I'll be using it with my VPI 16.5.  I've finally run out of my TTVJ Vinyl Zyme Gold and I suspect it won't be worth shipping it here form the USA. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: The Alchemist on January 28, 2014, 09:53:22 PM
You can check out this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spin-Clean-Record-Washer-MKII/dp/B008EBS9G4/ref=sr_1_3?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1390945845&sr=1-3&keywords=Record+Cleaner+for+Vinyl+Records (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spin-Clean-Record-Washer-MKII/dp/B008EBS9G4/ref=sr_1_3?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1390945845&sr=1-3&keywords=Record+Cleaner+for+Vinyl+Records)

or this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Record-Cleaner-for-Vinyl-Records/dp/B0015C0YYY/ref=sr_1_2?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1390945845&sr=1-2&keywords=Record+Cleaner+for+Vinyl+Records (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Record-Cleaner-for-Vinyl-Records/dp/B0015C0YYY/ref=sr_1_2?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1390945845&sr=1-2&keywords=Record+Cleaner+for+Vinyl+Records)

Amazon.uk has a lot of great vinyl cleaning products, check them out here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Record%20Cleaner%20for%20Vinyl%20Records (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Record%20Cleaner%20for%20Vinyl%20Records)

TTVJ Vinyl Zyme Gold @ a UK store:
http://www.smartdevicesinc.com/buggtussel.html (http://www.smartdevicesinc.com/buggtussel.html)

Loricraft Products are Proudly made in the United Kingdom.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: The Alchemist on January 28, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
I really like Tool's album Ænima on Vinyl, it has the warmth and unique qualities of a great Vinyl recording.

(http://www.popsike.com/pix/20100812/220652928609.jpg)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on January 28, 2014, 10:10:06 PM
Look's like Loricraft uses that L'Art du Son stuff.  If it's not a concentrate I might give it a try. 

I've seen the line up on Amazon.co.uk, but looking for something someone has tried and can say +1 about.

Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: The Alchemist on January 28, 2014, 10:43:42 PM
There's that Dubstep Girl again  :)p13
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Questhate on April 23, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
So did anyone make it out to RSD over the weekend?

There were some great live recordings that I picked up:

Tame Impala - Live Versions
Death Cab For Cutie with Magik Magik Orchestra - Live 2012
LCD Soundsystem - The Long Goodbye

Just got through all of these, and they're all fantastic. The DCFC and LCD Soundsystem in particular have great sound quality, as well as having great music on them. The LCD Soundsystem box has a note from James Murphy saying that the mastering is all-analog from the tapes, and are a different mastering than the live DVD which is also a different mastering from the live stream. Really cool to see a band *get* vinyl and take proper care to make sure its up to snuff. The DCFC recordings are also great, and the orchestration gives a completely different feeling and dimension to the songs. I was on the fence about this record, but glad I picked it up.

The sound quality of the Tame Impala is not great, unfortunately (although none of their albums sound good), but the music on it is superb.

The MGMT albums that are remastered from the analog tapes also sound a good deal better than the original pressings of each album that I have.

The Biggie and Outkast reissues are disappointments, both in terms of packaging and sound quality (although I didn't expect much from the latter).
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MuppetFace on November 24, 2014, 12:39:16 PM
Black Friday RSD coming up this week. Some good highly limited stuff coming out, including a vinyl pressing of Death Grips' Gov't Plates. Also a split between The Bug and... Earth?? Weird but cool.

Missed out on the color vinyl edition of Sleater-Kinney's whole discography. Now I can't afford the eBay prices. Poo.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on November 24, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
Black Friday RSD coming up this week. Some good highly limited stuff coming out, including a vinyl pressing of Death Grips' Gov't Plates. Also a split between The Bug and... Earth?? Weird but cool.

Missed out on the color vinyl edition of Sleater-Kinney's whole discography. Now I can't afford the eBay prices. Poo.

just wanted to say Death Grips are awesome. Got the opportunity to see them live summer before last and it was explosive.

Having said that, there recordings are so loud and insane I don't see any sonic benefit to vinyl, other than just for fun.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on November 24, 2014, 11:30:58 PM
Having said that, there recordings are so loud and insane I don't see any sonic benefit to vinyl, other than just for fun.

CD mastering, or is it in the mix itself? I don't bother with vinyl cut from CD, but everybody's recordings are loud and insane these days. I've pretty much stopped listening to digital entirely, it's just too exhausting. Case in point. Devin Townsend's Z2. Dev's mastering guy originally had it at DR9, and Dev decided to push it to DR5 for the retail CD release, you know, for fun. Geeeee thanks! I'm so glad it will sound like complete ass, just like Epicloud!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on November 25, 2014, 12:53:54 AM
CD mastering, or is it in the mix itself? I don't bother with vinyl cut from CD, but everybody's recordings are loud and insane these days. I've pretty much stopped listening to digital entirely, it's just too exhausting. Case in point. Devin Townsend's Z2. Dev's mastering guy originally had it at DR9, and Dev decided to push it to DR5 for the retail CD release, you know, for fun. Geeeee thanks! I'm so glad it will sound like complete ass, just like Epicloud!

Definitely just in the mix itself. No amount of mastering will make Death Grips music hi fidelity. But it is still badass music! Super duper intense.  :-DD

I've only heard the Money Store album though, not Govt Plates. Here is a youtube clip to Money Store. Nothing about this video is safe for work:

NSFW:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MuppetFace on November 25, 2014, 02:35:27 AM
There's no sonic benefit to the vinyl per se. It's more about:

1. Getting to play it on my vinyl rig which sounds bitchin.

2. Having a physical copy of the previously digital-only Gov't Plates album with redone artwork and liner stuff (plus a little replica of the license plate apparently?)

I'm someone who vastly prefers physical albums to digital only ones.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: CEE TEE on November 25, 2014, 02:52:45 AM
Sorry to ask here, but I searched and didn't find many good-looking/simple record crates. Any hints? 


Need to try and store the ones I have better before buying more (I already have a wish list).
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on November 25, 2014, 03:26:33 AM
Do you want crates or some sort of shelving unit?
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on November 25, 2014, 04:06:50 AM
There's no sonic benefit to the vinyl per se. It's more about:

1. Getting to play it on my vinyl rig which sounds bitchin.

2. Having a physical copy of the previously digital-only Gov't Plates album with redone artwork and liner stuff (plus a little replica of the license plate apparently?)

I'm someone who vastly prefers physical albums to digital only ones.

I agree 100%. I own the Metallica Death Magnetic 5x45 box if that tells you anything. :)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: CEE TEE on November 25, 2014, 05:10:40 AM
Do you want crates or some sort of shelving unit?
  Would like a crate that would look good on the bottom shelf of the Black Salamander 5.0 rack I have four of...to start.  Thanks for any suggestions, OJ. 
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: shipsupt on November 25, 2014, 10:43:31 AM
Could you fit one of Todd's crates down there?

http://www.ttvjaudio.com/TTVJ_Maple_Record_Crate_p/aat0000170.htm (http://www.ttvjaudio.com/TTVJ_Maple_Record_Crate_p/aat0000170.htm)

(http://cdn3.volusion.com/xdgmk.lmruq/v/vspfiles/photos/AAT0000170-2.jpg?1342452931)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: MuppetFace on November 25, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
My favorites so far are Givemevinyl's record store vinyl racks. Some day I'll find a store going out of business and buy all their shelves.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on November 25, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
Sorry to ask here, but I searched and didn't find many good-looking/simple record crates. Any hints? 


Need to try and store the ones I have better before buying more (I already have a wish list).

I buy all mine from Tony's woodshop:

http://www.tonyswoodshop.com/ (http://www.tonyswoodshop.com/)

They stack and are all hardwood. He also sells matching bases and tops, which I own as well. Nice guy, great product.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on November 27, 2014, 12:37:41 AM
Couple of good scores today:

Wings - Band on the Run: really minty looking early pressing.

Tom Waits - Heart of Saturday Night: again a minty looking early pressing.

Guy who runs the local record store says he just cannot keep Tom Waits records in stock, period. As soon as he gets them they sell. I guess Waits is an artist that lends himself towards serious vinyl listening. :)

I might run back by the store on Friday for RSD, but there wasn't anything on the RSD list that seriously grabbed my attention, so I figured I'd go today to show my support in case I don't make it Friday.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Chris J on December 07, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Mind if I ask what you think of the Heart Of Saturday Night LP?
Thanks.......C

BTW, I picked up an Excellent Civil Wars 10" record the other day:
Between The Bars.
It contains a rather interesting version of MJ's "Billie Jean".
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on December 07, 2014, 08:26:12 PM
Mind if I ask what you think of the Heart Of Saturday Night LP?
Thanks.......C

BTW, I picked up an Excellent Civil Wars 10" record the other day:
Between The Bars.
It contains a rather interesting version of MJ's "Billie Jean".

Actually havent even listened to it yet. Will throw it on this evening and report back.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: postjack on December 09, 2014, 12:16:13 AM
Mind if I ask what you think of the Heart Of Saturday Night LP?
Thanks.......C

Well the music is great of course. Sound quality wise it has a pretty big sound, the strings and whatnot sound nice, but unfortunately Waits vocals come across as thin, as does the whole recording really. Maybe my copy just has some distortion but I don't think so, its a pretty clean copy, very little surface noise, so I think it was treated well.

Its an Asylum Records/Elektra pressing, catalog number 7E-1015-A SP, deadwax ESRTD6476.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: keanex on December 22, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
I recently bought Cursive's The Ugly Organ re-master/re-release for 10th year anniversary, Modest Mouse's Lonesome Crowded West/This is a Long Drive re-releases and just bought This Will Destroy You's Live at Reykjavik 3xlp for $14 shipped to my door!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on December 29, 2014, 11:56:40 PM
Anyone tried the whole wood glue record cleaning technique? I figure I'll give it a go on some of my nigh unlistenables.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: keanex on December 31, 2014, 04:16:19 AM
Anyone tried the whole wood glue record cleaning technique? I figure I'll give it a go on some of my nigh unlistenables.
I plan to try it with a really poor quality Moody Blues - Days of Future Past.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on December 31, 2014, 05:25:52 AM
Yeah, I just did it on a few records. Worked like a charm. I'd like to be able to use less glue per side so 16oz can get me farther. Will need to perfect my technique
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on January 01, 2015, 02:08:33 AM
Bought my first new and sealed LP today.  Metallica And Justice for All 2014 re-issue (=2008 reissue)

Excitedly got home and played the first LP (it's 2 LP's with 2 songs per side), sounds like crap lots of pops and crackle, notice it is out of round as my needle veers left and right.

Whip out LP 2 and I stop in my tracks as both sides are scratched like they were forgotten around a pile of records and tossed around.

Back to the store they go :(  Really shitty first "new" new record experience so far!!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Skyline on January 01, 2015, 03:40:48 PM
Bought my first new and sealed LP today.  Metallica And Justice for All 2014 re-issue (=2008 reissue)

Excitedly got home and played the first LP (it's 2 LP's with 2 songs per side), sounds like crap lots of pops and crackle, notice it is out of round as my needle veers left and right.

Whip out LP 2 and I stop in my tracks as both sides are scratched like they were forgotten around a pile of records and tossed around.

Back to the store they go :(  Really shitty first "new" new record experience so far!!
Complete bummer, but it happens sometimes.  My most common issue with new records is warping.

Also, it won't help with the scratches obviously, but be sure to clean new records to get off all the dust and nastiness that they tend to come with.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: keanex on January 02, 2015, 12:25:22 AM
Bought my first new and sealed LP today.  Metallica And Justice for All 2014 re-issue (=2008 reissue)

Excitedly got home and played the first LP (it's 2 LP's with 2 songs per side), sounds like crap lots of pops and crackle, notice it is out of round as my needle veers left and right.

Whip out LP 2 and I stop in my tracks as both sides are scratched like they were forgotten around a pile of records and tossed around.

Back to the store they go :(  Really shitty first "new" new record experience so far!!
I had an issue with some new records not playing right, skipping and such. Turns out I needed a new stylus. That doesn't explain your scratches though =/
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on January 02, 2015, 01:31:10 AM
Yeah, I have one or two albums that are pristine and play without any pops or crackles and sound beautiful, so luckily my cart/stylus is OK!

Makes me want to stick with the used game more I suppose.  It's not as cheap as it used to be and the overall condition of used records just gets worse over time but what can ya do.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Chris F on January 02, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
I've been buying a lot re-issues this year.  They are pricey but the sonics are really spectacular and the records are well pressed which IMO makes it worth the asking price.

A few I really liked:
Fritz Reiner CSO Scheherazade (AP/RCA Living Stereo)
Tony Bennett Live at Carnegie Hall (AP/Columbia)
Led Zeppelin I, II (Atlantic)
Chet Baker Quartet (Barclay/Sam Records)
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on January 21, 2015, 10:07:15 PM
So a few weeks later I'm balls deep in vinyl purchases and my wallet literally is on life support and begging for me to sell my gear for the sake of more music. 

I've gotten a few new pressings and still find I get more satisfaction out of the old/used stuff but am all ears for your recommendations on modern reissues or new releases that aren't pressed like crap or sourced from crappy digital!

I actually traded in some old Zeppelin albums from my college days which did not meet my surface noise standards, starting to regret that choice as the used stuff is almost always beat and/or overpriced.  I also have some old Beatles stuff that's pretty gross looking too but have held off on that rabbit hole.  Maybe the remasters are worth the splurge?
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Skyline on January 22, 2015, 01:37:23 AM
So a few weeks later I'm balls deep in vinyl purchases and my wallet literally is on life support and begging for me to sell my gear for the sake of more music. 

I've gotten a few new pressings and still find I get more satisfaction out of the old/used stuff but am all ears for your recommendations on modern reissues or new releases that aren't pressed like crap or sourced from crappy digital!

I actually traded in some old Zeppelin albums from my college days which did not meet my surface noise standards, starting to regret that choice as the used stuff is almost always beat and/or overpriced.  I also have some old Beatles stuff that's pretty gross looking too but have held off on that rabbit hole.  Maybe the remasters are worth the splurge?
The Zeppelin remasters are fantastic.

The Beatles remasters have gotten pretty mixed reviews.

Not that this recording will do anything to convince you of good sound quality, etc., but I was jamming out to Zeppelin this past weekend quite a bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2EN-Kw46i8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: audiofrk on January 25, 2015, 11:48:25 PM
@skyline Nice what is the preamp?

I am looking to get into vinyl but I got some questions:

I live in southern california in an apartment with no AC so like 4 times a year my house gets to be like 120 F how bad is that for the vinyl?

I hear people talk about vinyl care but can someone elobarate (for new presses not old second hand records)

how easy do they breaK?
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on January 26, 2015, 04:46:25 AM
I am looking to get into vinyl but I got some questions:

I live in southern california in an apartment with no AC so like 4 times a year my house gets to be like 120 F how bad is that for the vinyl?

I hear people talk about vinyl care but can someone elobarate (for new presses not old second hand records)

how easy do they breaK?

120F can easily warp and ruin a record. Ideally records should be stored at under 80F, always upright, never flat. They can get pretty cold on the other hand without harm, but they should be allowed to stabilize first when put back in a warm environment before being handled or played. It's also best to avoid large temperature swings if possible.

Old shellac 78s can break easily, but modern vinyl records really don't break. Just give them a nice bath using a Spin Clean or ideally a RCM, keep dust and finger prints off them, and always put them back in their sleeves when done.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Skyline on January 27, 2015, 12:44:14 AM
@skyline Nice what is the preamp?
Pro-Ject USB V: http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=phonoboxusbv

It's fine, but I think you're paying mostly for the usb features which I no longer use.  Digitizing vinyl is a serious task.  I was getting decent results, but it was so time-consuming and I know that I only really scratched the surface.

Eventually, it started to suck the fun out of things so now vinyl is just for laid back listening sessions.  No more digital stress for me.

All of that to say, I'm guessing you could pay an equivalent price for something without usb implementation (Schiit Mani, for instance) and get better sound quality for the $$$.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: audiofrk on January 27, 2015, 05:54:24 AM
120F can easily warp and ruin a record. Ideally records should be stored at under 80F, always upright, never flat. They can get pretty cold on the other hand without harm, but they should be allowed to stabilize first when put back in a warm environment before being handled or played. It's also best to avoid large temperature swings if possible.

Old shellac 78s can break easily, but modern vinyl records really don't break. Just give them a nice bath using a Spin Clean or ideally a RCM, keep dust and finger prints off them, and always put them back in their sleeves when done.

oh Dave changstar wouldn't be the same without you, thanks for the info (if I could give brownie points you'd get some).  hmm got to think about it now not planning on moving anytime soon but don't want to start a collection that will be ruined by the end of august.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: audiofrk on January 27, 2015, 05:58:13 AM
Pro-Ject USB V: http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=phonoboxusbv

It's fine, but I think you're paying mostly for the usb features which I no longer use.  Digitizing vinyl is a serious task.  I was getting decent results, but it was so time-consuming and I know that I only really scratched the surface.

Eventually, it started to suck the fun out of things so now vinyl is just for laid back listening sessions.  No more digital stress for me.

All of that to say, I'm guessing you could pay an equivalent price for something without usb implementation (Schiit Mani, for instance) and get better sound quality for the $$$.


yeah what sucks is that the mp3s that come with the new vinyls are often copies of the cd master not the vinyl master.  still better to hear it right some of the time than none of the time.

how you like the mani? that was what I was going to use.  I heard the lounge is betterr but its double the cost.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Skyline on January 27, 2015, 01:48:43 PM

yeah what sucks is that the mp3s that come with the new vinyls are often copies of the cd master not the vinyl master.  still better to hear it right some of the time than none of the time.

how you like the mani? that was what I was going to use.  I heard the lounge is betterr but its double the cost.
Haven't tried the Mani.

That and a new TT platter are next on my upgrade list.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on January 27, 2015, 05:35:11 PM
Mani is really good. Compares well to my other gear.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on January 27, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
OJ, do you mind if I ask what differences you found with the Mani?  Been thinking about splurging on one, the sx-780/sx1280 phono sections are serviceable but I bet standalone is better yet.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: OJneg on January 27, 2015, 06:56:35 PM
Definitely a different sound than the phono stage of my Marantz 2220. Not sure how your Pioneer compares. More analytical basically. But also more accurate. RC tolerances have probably slided a bit out of wack on this older piece of gear.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Chris F on January 28, 2015, 01:59:07 AM
I actually traded in some old Zeppelin albums from my college days which did not meet my surface noise standards, starting to regret that choice as the used stuff is almost always beat and/or overpriced.  I also have some old Beatles stuff that's pretty gross looking too but have held off on that rabbit hole.  Maybe the remasters are worth the splurge?

I picked up the first two Zep remasters in my last order from acoustic sounds and both are excellent.  Really well pressed too.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on January 28, 2015, 06:07:38 PM
The madness continues.  Some recent pickups and good news:

Metallica Black Album - 33rpm 2014 Blackened label - Bought from a retail store and this time all four sides are nice and pristine.  I only listened to part of it so far but it sounds good enough to my ears.  Also noticed the volume is not super quiet like with the 2014 And Justice for All; I am wondering if AJFA wasn't really Grundman's work like I was lead to believe.  One down, at least 4 more to go, maybe I'll spring for Garage as well.  Blackened in the deadwax in very sloppy writing, almost looks like the word Blackened and then scribbled over slightly.

https://koshermetal.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/everything-you-need-to-know-about-metallicas-blackened-recordings-vinyl-reissues/

Radiohead In Rainbows - 33rpm 2008 - I found this used but found out I paid a higher than Amazon price by a few bucks which is a bummer but I am happy to report the disc is clean and sounds fantastic.  I'm still hesitant about Kid A and OK Comptroller after hearing mixed impressions of the modern Capitol pressings which are no longer stickered "from the vault".

I also found a local shop very close to me that has a vacuum based RCM ($1/disc) and a furutech record straightener (Record High, Tempe AZ)!  The guys that run the place seem super knowledgeable on masterings and different genres so definitely gets a big thumbs up.  First time there and I splurged and also snagged some Sleeve City Disc Keepers (http://www.sleevecityusa.com/Diskeeper-2-0-Antistatic-Record-Sleeves-p/9235.htm). 

Haven't busted them out yet but I am assuming I will need to keep the records separate the jacket and inside of an outer sleeve to do this properly?  Previously I was just using plain jane paper sleeves from another local shop which ended up costing me way more in the long run.  I would just replace the old worn inners with the new white ones and keep them in the original jacket.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Skyline on January 28, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
I also found a local shop very close to me that has a vacuum based RCM ($1/disc) and a furutech record straightener (Record High, Tempe AZ)!  The guys that run the place seem super knowledgeable on masterings and different genres so definitely gets a big thumbs up.  First time there and I splurged and also snagged some Sleeve City Disc Keepers (http://www.sleevecityusa.com/Diskeeper-2-0-Antistatic-Record-Sleeves-p/9235.htm). 

Haven't busted them out yet but I am assuming I will need to keep the records separate the jacket and inside of an outer sleeve to do this properly?  Previously I was just using plain jane paper sleeves from another local shop which ended up costing me way more in the long run.  I would just replace the old worn inners with the new white ones and keep them in the original jacket.
Just ditch the paper sleeve and replace with the anti-static.

Sounds like a cool shop you'e found. 

As for Radiohead I've got the 10" Amnesiac and  12" OK Computer.  My feelings on OK Computer are mixed as well.  It goes back and forth from amazing and immersive to much noisier than any new record has a right to be.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on February 02, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Two steps forward one step back. 

Snagged a reasonably priced current pressing NIN Pretty Hate Machine (older mastering), the surface doesn't look bad but there's what looks like a large albiet light scratch/scuff from outer to inner grooves on one side.  A bit of surface noise on this one, I believe the large scuff seems un-related.  Looks like I may be checking out the record cleaning services of that shop pretty soon!

Also 2014 USA pressing of Iron Maiden Powerslave, it looks great and plays mostly great, just a tiny bit of static can be heard.  Overall I had low expectations for this but it meets my standards. 
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on February 14, 2015, 12:49:30 AM
Went for Mono Miles Davis Kind of Blue today (RTI pressed).

Lots of scratches and warped out the packaging.

Sounds pretty good but can definitely a noisy listen.  Pretty sure the store is not going to be happy to see me back for yet another defective LP -- uuugh!
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on March 06, 2015, 03:22:20 AM
Some more notes of recent hunting:

Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast (original US press).  Wow, just wow.  I had a UK original press CD of this album that is supposedly very good. I was honestly never impressed with this album as it always sounded pretty thin to my ears (super flat mastering?); that was until I heard this on original US "wally" pressing.  Even on my modest rig!!  Don't even have to crank it to appreciate it but still retains fantastic dynamic range.  NoTB is now my top IM album.

King Crimson - In the Court + Islands (200 gram).  I've determined I prefer the KC jazzy sound and these digitally sourced reissues are really nice albiet a bit pricey.    The old Atlantic label KC albums I have heard are cut terribly or something, they all exhibit surface noise which somewhat ruins the experience, these new reissues definitely solve this issue.  I know there are "pink label" originals that are supposedly the best but seem quite rare and even more expensive.  I will also admit comparing to my FLAC rips the digital files do sound excellent as well.

Slayer - Reign in Blood (2013 reissue).  When I first heard Slayer RiB it was on CD and I fell in love instantly.  Hearing this reissue really rekindled that love.  Another great release, I am not sure who cut these or mastered them.  I picked up South of Heaven, hopefully it's another knockout!

Tool - Undertow (Non original current pressing, 2LP Volcano).  This album is quite cheap around $17 and is an OK pickup considering.  The original CD did not sound that great but the music is just fantastic.  On vinyl it is clearly better sounding and less harsh but after going through two copies I found that the pressing quality isn't that great, a little on the noisy side and you can expect imperfections out the packaging.  Really sucks Lateralus is currently only available via retail on super expensive picture disc.

Also to update from my previous posts.

NIN - Pretty Hate Machine (Non-remastered current release).  Even after professional cleaning this one is still pretty noisy.  I'd say this one is a pass, wish I could find an original.  At least I have the non remastered CD version.

Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (Mono non RSD, 2014).  After getting a replacement from the store this album is currently the definitive version of KoB for me!  It's worth having a stereo and a mono version, you will hear the differences pretty easily.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on March 06, 2015, 04:54:10 AM
Slayer - Reign in Blood (2013 reissue).  When I first heard Slayer RiB it was on CD and I fell in love instantly.  Hearing this reissue really rekindled that love.  Another great release, I am not sure who cut these or mastered them.  I picked up South of Heaven, hopefully it's another knockout!

I have original first pressings for both RIB and SOH. Reign is a typical '80s metal record, not much detail or definition. It's a little better than the CD, but not by all that much. The SOH original though, oh my God. The drums man, the drums! Barry Diament handled mastering for the original CD release and it's fine, really not bad at all, but Howie Weinberg's original vinyl master just murders it. Sooo good. It's a similar story with Seasons. The CD is fine because the Loudness War insanity hadn't started yet, but the vinyl is still way better.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: Mr.Sneis on March 06, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
Thanks for the tip Dave, I wish I had a chance to snag some original press Slayer but I have yet to venture to Discogs or Ebay yet.  I wonder who did the mastering and pressing for these reissues, very little info on SH forum even. 

It sounds like you know your Slayer...My original CD copy of Show No Mercy is sooooo bad, it sounds recorded in a tin can. Do you happen to know if it has sounded any better on the vinyl releases?  If I see a Seasons reissue I'll probably snag it next.  I really only have experience with the older Slayer catalog up to Seasons.
Title: Re: The Vinyl Thread
Post by: DaveBSC on March 06, 2015, 06:26:39 AM
It sounds like you know your Slayer...My original CD copy of Show No Mercy is sooooo bad, it sounds recorded in a tin can. Do you happen to know if it has sounded any better on the vinyl releases?  If I see a Seasons reissue I'll probably snag it next.  I really only have experience with the older Slayer catalog up to Seasons.

I don't know if Mercy is better on vinyl, but given what Reign sounds like, I doubt it. I just don't think Slayer had recording and mixing down yet, and if your tapes themselves sound bad, cutting to vinyl won't help you. Affordable NM copies of the Seasons first press are harder to come by than SOH, but there are a few on Discogs for under $30. I pretty much always buy first pressings unless there's a good reason not to, like the channel drop outs on the original Still Life, or the many cases of '90s picture disc only releases from when the vinyl market had basically died.

Reissues are just too much of a crap shoot, especially when you have a third party label at the helm like Back on Black or Music On Vinyl. Even the big guys though are stamping out lazy, horrible sounding garbage reissues lately though, often just pulled straight from whatever CD master was lying around.