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Non-Audio Stuff => The Geek Cave: Home Theatre, Computers, and More! => Topic started by: antifocus on March 09, 2015, 10:24:06 PM
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http://www.apple.com/macbook/
But weirdly enough it is actually called "MacBook" and running OS X instead of iOS.
It comes with silver/space grey/gold as you would expected and an undetachable keyboard.
Starting at $1299 and no LTE model.
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Seriously though, this thing has only one port, and you charge using it.
It is basically a freaking iPad.
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Depending on a mandatory adaptor and/or multi-adpator, that one usb port could provide a lot. The macbook air I use has two usbs, a headphone port, and an sd card slot. I don't really ever find myself using the usb ports, but I do use the sd card slot every once in a while to transfer data, and I use the headphone port every once in a while.
I think minimum, apple could have provided one headphone port. Headphones and laptop use go hand-in-hand almost.
This leaves me wondering what they're going to do with the macbook air line in the near future. I would have loved for them to take the same form factor of the 13 inch air, make it thinner, give it a retina, and use that form factor to accommodate a 14-15 inch screen.
Calling it an iPad is too much of a dramatization. People had the same kind of reactions when apple first decided to forego optical drives in their laptops. Turns out that was a smart choice.
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Agreed. But it is an awesome iPad. You can install Linux and Windows on it, you can install non-App Store stuffs on it, and you can also use it to write its own apps, or even iPad apps.
Oh, and it's fanless like any iPad before it... so that's a HUGE plus in my books.
Pricing not so hot, but ah well, it does have a retina screen, 8GB of RAM STANDARD (YES!), and also comes default with a 256GB SSD. Seems like a much better buy than the "higher-end" MacBook Air to me.
Oh, and it also runs Intel GMA 5300, which is enough to run most modern games at low settings... at about a quarter the screen's refresh rate in frame rate, and about a quarter the screen's max resolution, too. What is there not to love about this thing? :)p13
Honestly, though, it supports an external 4K display, and that's ALL I'd really ask for the GPU. Looks like it'll be a solid light programming and heavy office worker. Highly considering getting one for myself. :)p1
Oh, and the headphone output jack also doubles as an optical output... like the MacBook Pro line, by the way, so USB port not needed for some DACs unless you want to deal with jitter and other stuffs.
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Oh, so this thing does have a headphone port. I take back what I said then, it doesn't need anything else really.
One usb and one headphone port is more than enough for light portable computing.
Still wish the air line got buffed more.
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Yes I wouldn't be surprise to see thrid-party hub, but right now I've check all Apple accessories are one to one and expensive.http://store.apple.com/us/accessories/all-accessories/cables-docks#!&f=12inchmacbook&fh=4098%2B44c7
I can imagine that people were using Air don't need usb ports or displayports that often, but replacing all of them for one port I think it is too much. You can't connect anything else with a wire while you are charging.
For Air I guess they will just make it as a non-retina cheapest line of products?
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I actually use my rMBP as a desktop, I connect a usb DAC, mouse, keyboard, so that's three usb ports, and an external monitor.
New macbook is good for mobility like Journalists I think...Still one extra USB port would be better IMHO.
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Hm... actually, problem solved.
If you'd notice, their HDMI and VGA adapters are not 1-to-1. Each has a display port (HDMI or VGA), USB 3.1, and then another slot for USB-C. That should solve any lingering problem with not having enough ports.
If more ports are needed, a USB 3.1 hub can be used.
USB-C port in the adapter can also be used to supply power, or daisy chain another one of those adapters.
$79 is in line with what I'd expect for a hub that does all that, so... sounds like a good and elegant solution to me.
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Damn, thanks for pointing out, Bill, I didn't click into description.
Yes that make much more sense now. walk the plank2
But I will probably go back to windows for my next computer anyway. :spank:
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I'm a little surprised that there's no thunderbolt / displayport, but I guess that's where they're heading... no more desktops.
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Haha, no problem. I just noticed that myself. I was wondering when they'd come out with a solution for that, but... I guess that settles it.
This + a Wacom Cintiq 13HD seems like all I'd want/need for the upcoming while. Perfectly portable and functional. My 2012 MacBook Retina is much more powerful, and much more spacious, but it doesn't support a 4K display at 60Hz, and I think I'd want to get one of those eventually.
And it's still a fanless device, so that's the main draw for me. Mechanical fans and big openings for them scare me because I've owned computers that I have had to service some 3-4 years down the line.
Also this one seems like the battery can be replaced fairly easily, too...
^ Dammit! I'm already talking myself into it!
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I'm probably going to replace my 15" rMBP with one of these... I have the 5k iMac as a main anyway.
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Yeah...
Oh, and USB-C doubles as Thunderbolt. I think we'll see adapters for that at some point, but... looking at how many Thunderbolt adapters/accessories are available on the market (not a lot), I can see why Apple would want to transition to USB-C instead.
Welp... my top config late-2012 15" rMBP will be up for sale soon if anyone would like to grab it. I don't game anymore, and I've also gotten a desktop setup, so I'll for sure replace the 15" MacBook with this one.
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Holy shit the whole thing is basically battery. That's actually pretty awesome.
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Yep. And it gets pretty good battery life. 10 hours watching videos or 9 hours browsing the web.
Now... I'd be curious about how much it'll run doing things like normal Office tasks... browsing the web and listening to music all at once.
If it stays above 5 hours on average (wishful!), then I think it's a done deal for me. I've been wishing for a fanless MacBook forever.
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one port for everything? RLY?! facepalm
Keyboard also looks shitty, looks like some cheap one that cost 10 bucks for tablets, but maybe it's because I'm mechanical keyboard lover and no one cares about the keyboard.
I would get the Air over it at any day...
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This keyboard is mechanical too, they went into great detail about the keyboard's innovations. The keyboard is quite intriguing, I actually wish they'd implement those advances on all of their other products.
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I'll dink with it, but it seems too pricey for my blood. The keyboard (which apparently has less travel than the surface keyboard for the SP3 which drove me nuts) and haptic trackpad will most likely drive me nuts. There's also the fact that this is almost double the price I paid for an XPS 13 with . Also, for audio, I get inconsistent USB performance out of my 15" rMBP and I can't imagine this will be significantly better.
OH! But I can shave off .5 lbs of weight and 1.5mm of thickness (from the thickest point of my XPS 13) and pay $617 more than I paid for an i5 5200u/8GB of RAM/1080p variant.
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I was pretty shocked at how small that logic board was. I think it would have turned out better if they put that in the current macbook airs instead and then have given them like 20 hours of battery life with the new space.
Maybe the advancements in space saving can mean apple will finally put a better gpu in their imacs... probably not though.
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I didn't realize the keyboard had little to no travel. Yuck. Surface Pro type keyboard is about as far as I'll go in that regard. ZD, I'm surprised to hear your rMBP has inconsistent USB...I thought they were supposed to be good for those sort of purposes based on everything I've read, but I can't say I've had much experience with their Mac line.
So, looks like the only real benefit is the fanless design? Only a matter of time before we see a ton of Core-M Windows tablets and laptops.
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I'd hazard a guess that we all qualify as "power users." This is for people who want the thinnest, sleekest lightest notebook that can still do normal stuff - email, web browsing, youtube, netflix. We can all say it's crazy but it is pretty insane to have the retina screen in the thinnest notebook evar and have good battery life. I'm looking forward to the Anandtech test results.
I'm still chuggin along on my 2007 Macbook Pro (upgraded RAM and switched to SSD a while ago). It would be neat to see the MBP w/ Retina get a significant improvement of some sort since it's been more incremental but given my all-out desktop rig I don't have a big need for power on the go.
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I didn't realize the keyboard had little to no travel. Yuck. Surface Pro type keyboard is about as far as I'll go in that regard. ZD, I'm surprised to hear your rMBP has inconsistent USB...I thought they were supposed to be good for those sort of purposes based on everything I've read, but I can't say I've had much experience with their Mac line.
So, looks like the only real benefit is the fanless design? Only a matter of time before we see a ton of Core-M Windows tablets and laptops.
There's a post somewhere here where Jason breaks down how things work regarding USB packets in OSX, Windows, and Linux.
I find the best, most consistent audio performance (but also the one that requires the most work to get working with everything) using mpd in Linux and the worst being core audio (any anything else) in OSX. OSX "just works," but performance is crap. Windows requires drivers, Linux "just works" with something like HQPlayer, but requires some handholding if you're futzing with getting mpd on weird streamers. I actually am really impressed by my current volumio streamer than I'm using bedside.
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http://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-lavie-z-hz550/
Both lighter and VASTLY more powerful than this, and yet will get almost no media coverage at all. The Apple reality distortion bubble is still in full effect.
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http://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-lavie-z-hz550/
Both lighter and VASTLY more powerful than this, and yet will get almost no media coverage at all. The Apple reality distortion bubble is still in full effect.
You don't understand. No one should ever want more than 12" (that's what she said).
Yeah, Snapple can keep screwing around with Aluminum while IBM/Lenovo's been using Magnesium and Carbon/Kevlar for a good while now. Recycle bin!
https://www.google.com/search?q=bent+macbook+air&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hF3_VKbfA4ypogS0n4KIBA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=737
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I think milled aluminum/magnesium is better than the carbon fiber/kevlar because it is more rigid and better at heat dissipation.
Apple's laptop line is still ahead of competitors, too bad the OS is buggy.
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The Apple reality distortion bubble is still in full effect.
When Tim Cook said he'd been waiting since he was 5 to be able to make phone calls with his watch, and they panned across the audience to show people agreeing and laughing, I stopped watching.
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I think milled aluminum/magnesium is better than the carbon fiber/kevlar because it is more rigid and better at heat dissipation.
Apple's laptop line is still ahead of competitors, too bad the OS is buggy.
No. Did you click on the link? Aluminum did those units no favors.
I have personal experience with my own 8 year old Thinkpad with a magnesium skeleton surviving the breech of a M1A1 tank slamming down on it. Granted it was in a Pelican case which was destroyed and had to be warrantied, but the laptop preserved it's shape and function for 8 months in the Iraqi desert after that. Not one aluminum product from Apple would have survived that without ending up like a squashed beer can.
Here's a link if anyone wants to attempt the math on the applied force:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/weapon/M256.html
Let me know when NASA ever replaces Lenovo with a MacBook as the only official laptop certified for space travel. Where are Apple's ANSI and Milspec certifications?
Try this with a MacBook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw78gcU713g
Thinkpad was Steve Jobs target for the MacBook when he went back to Apple, they still haven't caught up and they won't under Tim Cook. MacBook leads nothing in laptops except being the number one fashion accessory for hipsters and maybe PPI (and profit margins, and possibly some of the worst USB and optical output implementation for audio). Woohoo, not impressed.
I wouldn't trust a MacBook product to survive anything beyond the occasional infiltration and exfiltration of a university library.
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Because being able to survive the most idiotic of impact tests is more important than having good thermal properties.
There's a number of things you can argue against this particular macbook or Apple products in general, but arguing against the choice of Aluminum is not one of them.
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Because being able to survive the most idiotic of impact tests is more important than having good thermal properties.
There's a number of things you can argue against this particular macbook or Apple products in general, but arguing against the choice of Aluminum is not one of them.
Didn't actually read the post I see. Congratulations. So all the laptops and tablets not made by Apple throughout history are just ticking timebombs doomed to thermal failure. Got it. Good to know Apple is the only company with a thermal management team. I wonder how my 8 year old Thinkpad and Venue 8 Pro are still functioning? Must be God.
Might want to ask every Apple user who ever experienced a cracked screen how 'idiotic' that impact test is.
Apple fanboys. facepalm
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Nah, I read your post, you shouldn't assume otherwise, we're not children here with next to no attention span. Even dropping the fanboy bomb while adding a smiley after it, classic.
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I think apple and other pc manufacturers took different paths in building the laptops, and I personally like apple's approach better.
I simply couldn't stand the flimsy lid for most ultrabooks because aluminum is more rigid in this occasion.
No, I am far far away from apple fanboys, I don't have any iPhone evar.
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Nah, I read your post, you shouldn't assume otherwise, we're not children here with next to no attention span. Even dropping the fanboy bomb while adding a smiley after it, classic.
Well your post makes absolutely no sense in the context of what I wrote. How do explain dismissing a test which actually saves lives in critical life situations and would have prevented lots of hardship and economic loss to how many Apple users? Millions perhaps have had broken screens on various devices over the years?
None you have a response to Thinkpads withstanding combat and space or how devices survive the thermal challenges of the Arabian desert without being made of magic aluminum. You can like Apple's approach but don't bullshit me saying Apple leads the way in laptop development. BS!! poo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmwR_EBRob8
:)p13 :)p13 :)p13 :)p13
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Haters can mock Apple products and their users all they want, but the reality is that they will sell these as fast as they can make them, will never have to discount them, and will continue to make all the profit in the laptop space. The experience of self-proclaimed power users doesn't scale, and their preferences are not widely shared.
That said, I'm not in. I don't see this as a step up from my current MBA.
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(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/442/files/2015/02/apple-lightsaber.jpg?w=720&cdnnode=1)
I rest my case. :))
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but the reality is that they will sell these as fast as they can make them, will never have to discount them, and will continue to make all the profit in the laptop space. The experience of self-proclaimed power users doesn't scale, and their preferences are not widely shared.
100% agreed.
Apples product development lab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r67xcDqKQYo
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Well your post makes absolutely no sense in the context of what I wrote. How do explain dismissing a test which actually saves lives in critical life situations and would have prevented lots of hardship and economic loss to how many Apple users? Millions perhaps have had broken screens on various devices over the years?
None you have a response to Thinkpads withstanding combat and space or how devices survive the thermal challenges of the Arabian desert without being made of magic aluminum. You can like Apple's approach but don't bullshit me saying Apple leads the way in laptop development. BS!! poo
I don't think Apple's marketing their macbooks towards combat environments. Hell, I doubt most of the programs used on the battlefields and around military bases even run on OSX. For college students and people who use a laptop for transportable use for meetings and/or work away from their main rigs (like me), the worst the laptop has to face is a potential drop from desk height.
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When Tim Cook said he'd been waiting since he was 5 to be able to make phone calls with his watch, and they panned across the audience to show people agreeing and laughing, I stopped watching.
The watch is in a different league than anything Apple has done before, and it shows outright contempt for their customers. Why does the $17,000 Apple Watch exist? What's the difference between it and one of those Vertu phones? If you buy that watch, you're too stupid to be allowed to live.
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I don't think Apple's marketing their macbooks towards combat environments. Hell, I doubt most of the programs used on the battlefields and around military bases even run on OSX. For college students and people who use a laptop for transportable use for meetings and/or work away from their main rigs (like me), the worst the laptop has to face is a potential drop from desk height.
Right. Isn't that all exactly what I said in my posts? None of that adds up to 'leading the way' in laptop dev for me.
Btw, I'm pretty sure none of those trashed Macbooks occurred in a combat environment. Just food for thought about the benefits of over-engineering.
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Is it really $17k? I missed the pricing info. I'm not interested in a watch anyway.
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Is it really $17k? I missed the pricing info. I'm not interested in a watch anyway.
Yup.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Invest-in-17-000-Apple-watch-Face-reality-some-6126615.php
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Yeah that may be over the top. Maybe Kim Kardashian West will pull it off.
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The watch is stupid and ugly.
But it is from apple and it is 2014 so people from US, China and Middle East will buy them.
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it's 2015. you may need a new watch.
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I could care less if anybody spends 17k on the Apple Watch, but I certainly don't think they shouldn't be allowed to live for it. If the 17k ends up as a good investment, or a purchase that holds and retains its value, then there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. Given the rate of growth of tech though, most likely not, but it's their purchase anyways. By the same merit you could just as easily trash someone's idea of buying an Orpheus system for 20,000 or a Rolex watch. I know I personally won't be getting an Apple Watch. I don't even have an iPhone to begin with, so I couldn't even use the watch if I wanted to.
Right. Isn't that all exactly what I said in my posts? None of that adds up to 'leading the way' in laptop dev for me.
Btw, I'm pretty sure none of those trashed Macbooks occurred in a combat environment. Just food for thought about the benefits of over-engineering.
If 'leading the way for laptop innovation' involves making the most durable product for you, then so be it. It doesn't for me. I wouldn't have bought an Air if I wanted to ram it into walls at 35mph.
As a reply to your earlier post... how do you even come off saying 'don't bullshit me saying Apple leads the way in laptop development'? I never once said they did.
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it's 2015. you may need a new watch.
Shit, my brain was fried after two midterm exams today.
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I personally just wouldn't call buying a 17k watch with a battery that is gonna die after two years if you use daily an investment.
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I could care less if anybody spends 17k on the Apple Watch, but I certainly don't think they shouldn't be allowed to live for it. If the 17k ends up as a good investment, or a purchase that holds and retains its value, then there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. Given the rate of growth of tech though, most likely not, but it's their purchase anyways. By the same merit you could just as easily trash someone's idea of buying an Orpheus system for 20,000 or a Rolex watch
Come on dude. An investment? It's all phony, it's just the regular watch with gold slathered on it. There's nothing special about it at all. Imagine if Apple sold a $17,000 first gen iPhone, the one that was limited to the EDGE network and probably can't be updated past like iOS 4. What kind of investment would that be? Who'd want that now?
Orpheus prices have gotten rather silly, but the Orpheus does something that the HD800 doesn't. The gold Apple watch has none of that. It's functionally identical to the $350 version. The usable life span of a Rolex is 60+ years. How long is that battery going to last in the $17,000 Apple watch? Two, three years tops? Within 5 years the first gen watch will be functionally obsolete, and you'll have a $17,000 paper weight.
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As a reply to your earlier post... how do you even come off saying 'don't bullshit me saying Apple leads the way in laptop development'? I never once said they did.
That was in reference to my reply to antifocus which was the main context of my entire post. If you don't believe Apple leads the way, then obviously the comment didn't apply to you.
And yes, I think at least being able to not fracture your screen when dropped from a 30" at 9.8 meters per second per second, or permanently deforming your chassis might be something basic for Apple to look into (when they aren't too busy drinking and banking their profits).
Does Apple even have a water resistant 'nano-coating' on a single electronic device yet? I suppose none of this matters when you pay full price to lease your devices every few months.
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Lenovo has been my go-to recommendation nice windows hardware. But since the Superfish seppuku, I don't know what to suggest to friends.
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Lenovo has been my go-to recommendation nice windows hardware. But since the Superfish seppuku, I don't know what to suggest to friends.
I stopped looking at them when they went to a chiclet keyboard, lol. That was the final straw for me in their departure from IBM.
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I stopped looking at them when they went to a chiclet keyboard, lol. That was the final straw for me in their departure from IBM.
I have a T410 and a X121. The W, T and X-series are the ones to recommend when the specifications meet the intended use.
I love the IBM-Thinkpad keyboard. I type a lot and that keyboard has been a deciding factor in my choices. That keyboard remains one of my computer criteria. Chiclet or "to little travel and feel" is unpleasant for me.
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I have a T410 and a X121. The W, T and X-series are the ones to recommend when the specifications meet the intended use.
I love the IBM-Thinkpad keyboard. I type a lot and that keyboard has been a deciding factor in my choices. That keyboard remains one of my computer criteria. Chiclet or "to little travel and feel" is unpleasant for me.
I hear that.
My favorite keyboard *ever* on a laptop was on my X230T. It was almost as good as a desktop mechanical keyboard. Second favorite was on my T420 - which was practically the same damn thing, but the thumb orientation to the top touchpad buttons was a little worse. Partially because they made the keyboard wider to use the extra space but then didn't compensate for that change when positioning the touchpad.
The new redesigned chiclet keyboard on the Thinkpad Yoga is pretty damn nice though. Much better than my keyboard on my rMBP 2012, but not quite as nice as their old school keyboards. Because they added the Lift-and-Lock system for tablet mode, it gave them the chance to add better (read: deeper and crisper) travel. Between improving the tactile feedback, fixing the layout, having adequate distance between keys, and providing excellent *even* backlighting, their chiclet is miles ahead of where it used to be.
The chiclet keyboard on their Thinkpad X1 Carbon...someone deserved to be fired for that thing. Mushy response, shallow travel, and mind-boggling layout changes. Who the hell replaces Caps Lock with a split key for Home/End? Just...ugh.
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The new redesigned chiclet keyboard on the Thinkpad Yoga is pretty damn nice though. Much better than my keyboard on my rMBP 2012, but not quite as nice as their old school keyboards. Because they added the Lift-and-Lock system for tablet mode, it gave them the chance to add better (read: deeper and crisper) travel. Between improving the tactile feedback, fixing the layout, having adequate distance between keys, and providing excellent *even* backlighting, their chiclet is miles ahead of where it used to be.
hello,
this is spot on. when we were auditioning laptops for a holiday present for the GYTW, she communicated how nice this keyboard felt to her compared to all the other Yogas on display by typing out how nice it felt. Thinkpad Yoga 14 FTW!
(i can even use it, and i am a bucking springs kinda guy.)
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Lenovo has been my go-to recommendation nice windows hardware. But since the Superfish seppuku, I don't know what to suggest to friends.
Yeah that was an epic fail of biblical proportions. I'd still buy a Lenovo machine in the future, but I'd definitely be doing a Parted Magic secure erase first thing, and installing a clean fresh copy of Windows, though I already do that anyway with retail machines. They all come with varying levels of crap on there, plus annoying recovery partitions.
My Samsung S9 for example has a 128GB SSD. 40 some GB of that was carved out from the factory for the recovery partition. That's totally unacceptable.
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One thing I think most would have overlooked:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2895694/will-your-new-macbook-crash-to-the-ground-without-magsafe-yes.html
I'm already too used to MagSafe at this point that I almost didn't think about this. But... yeah, that new fancy spanky MacBook will crash into the ground if you trip on its USB-C cord.
"Older" devices with MagSafe, on the other hand, will simply have the cord yanked off. Given that you can just snap it back into place, it's not a big deal at all, and will save you from some agony when that new MacBook gets a dent... (or worse) from "flying" off your desk.
And this is one of those moments where I'd think... if Steve Jobs was around, he would've fired someone in the design department.
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I love the comments. "Well, it's not intended to be used while plugged in."
Yeah, you're holding it wrong, again.... facepalm
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DaveBSC's level of hyperbole is epic.
I hate the MagSafe connectors I've used. I'm happy to have something that will hold. I'm not apt to trip and knock over my laptops... I have a Dell for work that I've only destroyed once, and that was with an intentional punch to the screen.
I'm once again on the fence about this new MB, though. I'd want a port for a USB drive and a DAC, because I don't want to clog up the internal space with music. I should probably take a weekend and set up MPD on a linux box. Every time I've used Ubuntu recently, I've gotten to the point where I install the nVidia drivers, and then X stops working. Windows is boring and lame. OS X is great from a usability perspective, but Apple is losing ground with me. They lost their Solon, and now they're trying to catch up to themselves from 5 years ago.
I don't know what to do. Everything is a disappointment. Maybe I'll try heroin.
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I love the comments. "Well, it's not intended to be used while plugged in."
Yeah, you're holding it wrong, again.... facepalm
Yeah. facepalm
It's a friggin' laptop!
I hate the MagSafe connectors I've used. I'm happy to have something that will hold. I'm not apt to trip and knock over my laptops... I have a Dell for work that I've only destroyed once, and that was with an intentional punch to the screen.
I'm once again on the fence about this new MB, though. I'd want a port for a USB drive and a DAC, because I don't want to clog up the internal space with music. I should probably take a weekend and set up MPD on a linux box. Every time I've used Ubuntu recently, I've gotten to the point where I install the nVidia drivers, and then X stops working. Windows is boring and lame. OS X is great from a usability perspective, but Apple is losing ground with me. They lost their Solon, and now they're trying to catch up to themselves from 5 years ago.
I don't know what to do. Everything is a disappointment. Maybe I'll try heroin.
Find a used 13" rMBP for $1000 or even less... better specs, better performance, better screen, slightly more weight, but assuming you can wear a 1-lbs headphone like me, the extra weight should be trivial. More ports: 2 USB, 1 HDMI, full-size SD, etc...
You can install Linux and Windows alongside OS X... or even as the only OS if you somehow hate Apple.
Only drawback: it has a fan. But... really...
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I have a 15" rMBP already.
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Well, I mean... if you were considering a more portable version.
Either way, I'm probably not gonna poke this MacBook until a few generations later... once they have perfected its design and all.