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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 04:11:58 AM »

Oh look, the measurements are the same as ours.  Oh, it's also the same unit we measured.  Oh and it's not even neutral regardless of channel imbalance.  Oh, and Rin talks a lot of shit 'warning' people about the 'dangers' of other headphone measurement sites and his measure ends up being the same as ours.  Oh, just like Jude tried to discredit Purrin's rig by posting confidential photos that were intentionally leaked to him out of confidence by Arnaud being a douche trying to embarrass purrin publicly like he's been doing for the last year and a half every chance he gets.  Oh, did I say too much?  Fuck Jude, fuck Rin and fuck Arnaud and their bitch ass passive aggressive pussy shit.  /end rant 
 
For those that don't understand the nature and background context of the rant, those mentioned do, that's all that matters.  Carry on.
 
Oh, hi Jude!  *:p
 
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 04:54:22 AM »

Well that escalated quickly.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 03:09:07 PM »

He didn't mean anything by it.  My partner can fly off the rails sometimes.  Ever since his last partner died in a freak accident with a measurement rig involving a dummy head he hasn't been the same.  We keep telling him to take a break but he's an insomniac and a workaholic and time off eats away at him like a tapeworm.


Can I get you anything?  Coffee?  We can get matching pedicures and then maybe talk about this measurement debacle - I know you don't want Anax to come back and make a big stink, I'm sure we can work things out between the two of us.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 03:28:45 PM »

Anax has never been the same since his heart was stopped for 7 minutes when he was blown across the room while changing caps out on the S7 while it was still live! 

It's still not clear how he was revived, but it's said that it was while he was clinically dead that he was inspired to modify "the face tweeters"!



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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2013, 02:38:59 AM »

Interesting. The positive comments regarding the 4ai did not jive at all with the unit that Anax and I heard.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 07:53:18 PM »

Interesting. The positive comments regarding the 4ai did not jive at all with the unit that Anax and I heard.
No, I can tell  p:8 Aparrantly something went wrong, because I think there are maybe 7 or more Heir iem's circulating the Danish forum (which is quite a lot considering the small size of the community), most of which were as a result of the 4.Ai being on a small tour here...
So yea, if you come across a pair I'd definitely recommend a revisit  p;)
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2013, 03:29:14 PM »

Oh look, the measurements are the same as ours.  Oh, it's also the same unit we measured.  Oh and it's not even neutral regardless of channel imbalance.  Oh, and Rin talks a lot of shit 'warning' people about the 'dangers' of other headphone measurement sites and his measure ends up being the same as ours. Oh, just like Jude tried to discredit Purrin's rig by posting confidential photos that were intentionally leaked to him out of confidence by Arnaud being a douche trying to embarrass purrin publicly like he's been doing for the last year and a half every chance he gets.  Oh, did I say too much?  Fuck Jude, fuck Rin and fuck Arnaud and their bitch ass passive aggressive pussy shit.  /end rant 
 
For those that don't understand the nature and background context of the rant, those mentioned do, that's all that matters.  Carry on.
 
Oh, hi Jude!  *:p

Just a note for anyone reading this or perhaps even Rin. I do this as a hobby and for fun. The measurements here are more or less calibrated according to my "trained" ears from years of speaker building and measurements of speakers. There are a lot of ways to take measurements. Again, for me it's fun and discovery. I don't think the measurements here are perfect, but I do feel they are good enough and reflect somewhat of what I hear (or what many others hear.)

I saw Rin's post on Head-Fi (requesting headphones for measurement), and I was about to contact him - sharing a dozen headphones, information, methods, etc. But after reading this blog and semi-"Harold / nwavdeuche" manifesto style writings on how everyone else's measurements suck (including Tyll, GE, etc.), and his were by far the best. I decided not to contact him. His blog rubs me the wrong way.  I dunno, maybe he comes off sort of an ass-hat on this blog, and is really cool in real life. Everyone, even my close friends, know that I have never spoken about other people's measurements in a derogatory way, even in private.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2013, 06:53:00 AM »

Personally I just feel that his harsh tone is unintentional and he just writes it as he sees it, and is motivated more by curiosity than anything else.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2013, 12:45:50 PM »

Rin is exuberant, ebullient, knowledgeable but in some ways naive. I think he felt a bit burned by the GoldenEars arrangement and has nurtured a certain skepticism towards any measurement methodology that does not jive with textbook recommendations and industry standards. I know from speaking with him that his goal is to learn and share, to challenge market trends - especially with in-ears. In that respect what he does is not that much different from what Marv or Tyll do, though he is far more prescriptivist when it comes to considering things like reference curves.

If there is any implication, veiled or otherwise, that he is dissin' Marv's methods, I do not think that it is malicious in nature, I doubt it's based on any personal beef.

I did respond for his request for headphones to test, and indeed after initially testing the 009s he found a flaw in his arrangement which kept him from accurate measurements (partially detailed @ http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/05/euris-accuracy-compared-to-other.html). So there is a self-corrective mechanism at work and I've noticed him to be responsive to criticism. I'll gladly continue sending headphones to both Rin & Marv because I think that the hobby is made better by parallel lines of inquiry, especially if they are based on different assumptions and methods.
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Re: Heir 4ai Measurements
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2013, 05:02:03 PM »

Well, his logical process is very tilted to limited/constrained version of 'objectivity'.  He believes the O2 is the authority on amplification, the UERM is a reshelled TF10, the HD800 sounds little better than an HD600/650 driver (look at his amp).  He's too focused on FR.  I think it's clear on his writing that as long as you reach an idealized FR, you get a final optimal sound.  I've done the whole matching FR thing decades ago and different mechanical drivers never sound the same, this is just deluded fantasy based on objective expectation bias.  I think he's inherently a nice guy, and just writes horribly to the point it's easy to think he's picking a fight.  Though his hard line belief set kind of is when it comes through, it's inevitable a la Harold. 
In fact, I can't recall the last time Rin said anything about how a phone sounded w/ a piece of music..... :spank: People need to mess around more w/ instruments, you don't need to take a class just pick one up, strike a chord, play a note and listen to that purity of tone.  Hell, get a set of tuning forks.
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