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Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:14:38 PM »

It's no secret that I'm an Apple fan boy.  I don't wait in line for new products or insist that there is no substitute for Apple products in every thread on the internet, but when it comes to me I use Apple stuff. 

Here's the rub.  I've agreed to reward my oldest son with a proper gaming PC for his good school work this year and basically I know jack sh_t about todays PCs. 

I'm hoping that you can help a pirate out with some advice.  I'm considering two routes:

1.  Build it! - Fun project for the two of us.  Rewarding.  Potential to get better components for less.  Any suggestions for some on-line guides or material list for shit hot gaming PCs?  Maybe not worth the effort?

2.  Grab one that's already packaged up and ready to go.  This is the easy route if I can identify a good quality machine.  Suggestions?

I'd really appreciate any guidance you guys could provide.



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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 06:27:22 PM »

Something I am actually well versed at!

I say build it.  Then the ladies will come for sure.

I won't give specific parts recommendations but heed these warnings:

Don't spend too much on a video card.  Anything under $300 will pretty much play everything; the PC games industry has been a sad trend of following console games for the past few years sad as it sounds.

For Processor cooling the recent trend in all in one watercooling units are convenient but for long-term use I still recommend a high end air cooler.

Don't overlook Solid State Hard drives.  They really are that much faster than traditional hard drives but at a hefty premium.

Don't cheap out on the power supply.  There are review sites that break down the psu's to dissect the parts quality of their internals along with commentary; make sure you find them.

Good luck!
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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 06:32:42 PM »

Thanks for the advice on cooling, somehow water cooled seemed much more sexy!

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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 06:36:33 PM »


Help computer by MrSneis, on Flickr

$3-400 more maybe.  The reason why I don't recommend them is because the radiators need blowing out every now and then or they clog with dust and can cause a lot of overheating issues.  If you setup airflow properly or perform regular dusting it's less of an issue but with air coolers it's less of an importance in the end.  That and the general performance of a good air cooler is better cost/performance ratio.
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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 06:41:51 PM »

You save SOOOOO MUUUCH money building your own gaming PC that it just doesn't make sense to go the pre-built route, plus you can use higher quality parts than all but the most expensive machines from boutique manufacturers (Falcon, Origin, etc).

Assuming he's ok with at least a moderate sized Micro-ATX or ATX case, building a computer is incredibly easy, far more than it was a decade ago. Motherboard stand-offs will come already in place. The hardest part is attaching the CPU heatsink, and the mount systems from Noctua, Prolimatech, and Thermalright have gotten good enough where even that can be done in a few minutes tops. Everything else is basically just insert into slot on board or tray in case, screw-in, done.

The modern UEFI BIOS also makes controlling the motherboard much easier than it used to be. Some stuff is still pretty cryptic, but most of the options can be left at the default settings, and high-end boards have even gotten pretty good at overclocking themselves with little to no work involved.


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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 06:48:25 PM »

Watercooling is a generally a giant PITA and a waste of money. It's neat if you're a complete nerd and want to show off your case's awesome innards, but the actual facts are that as a practical cooling method it's almost entirely useless. Double the money spent over a high-end air cooler will buy you a TINY amount of additional clock speed out of an Ivy B CPU. In terms of frame rates in a game, the difference will be close to zero.

Stick to one of these:

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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 08:09:17 PM »

Prolimitech Megahalems, I use one!
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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 10:10:11 PM »

you can check this site too for a general guideline on parts: http://www.logicalincrements.com/
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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 10:11:56 PM »

I agree with what others have already said.

I have been doing watercooling for 3 years now, the maintenance is something to keep in mind because blowing out the dust, replacing the tubing at least once every 18 months, don't recommend leaving your pc on w/o anyone present because the pump can fail and there goes your entire pc.  Not to mention the leaks and etc..  Of course watercooling have their strengths also.

I second on the Prolimatech Megahalems air cooler definitely one of best mounting in the industrial if not the best.

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Re: Help a pirate out!! Gaming PC advice needed.
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 10:18:13 PM »

Not a bad list, but I can't say that I at all agree with the TJ07 as a top of the line case. First of all it's a million years old and incredibly dated from a design standpoint. Secondly, its a massive PITA, one of the worst cases I've ever used. I don't know WTF Silverstone was thinking with the airflow design. It's fairly well suited to watercooling, but even that will require some serious modding. Corsair cases are much better for that role, and much better in general. As a flagship case, the X2000FN is in a different league.
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