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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 02:11:27 AM »

Yeah, some of us here have felt like guinea pigs for Audio-GD as Kingwa pumps out a new product every other week.

And I don't want to seem like I'm picking on Dan. I've talked to him at a couple of meets and he's a nice guy. I wish him all the success. Just think it's something that should be noted for anyone making an informed buying decision.

Anyway, thanks for sending these in! I know a few of us were definitely curious how the new Alpha Pads measured.

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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 02:15:42 AM »

I have felt the same way too. I don't like the many changes, but still I order and send him the phones back, etc. lol But I'm actually quite Ok with the Mad Dogs. Love their sound and comfort. And yes, I find them mid-centric (like the unmodded T50RPs) but that's not bad (for me). If I want a bit more bass, I go to my Ultrasone Signature cans... I also want to try the Paradox's some day.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 06:59:25 AM »

That FR definitely looks off; heck it's worse than the 2012 measurement of the Dan Clark Mad Dog prototype in terms of balance. If that bass is 10 dB louder in relation how the current FR looks, then I'd say it's a bingo but this is just...no.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 12:41:35 PM »

That FR definitely looks off; heck it's worse than the 2012 measurement of the Dan Clark Mad Dog prototype in terms of balance. If that bass is 10 dB louder in relation how the current FR looks, then I'd say it's a bingo but this is just...no.

Tyll's very recent measurements of them, while they had their share of problems, were rather flat from 20Hz-1KHz (not perfect, but better than this). Same for when Dan measured them. Dan actually measured my pair personally once while he was double checking something on them for me...but I'm also talking about MD measurements in general outside of mine. Last I checked, you could only see the latest MD measurements by going to the April updates on IF and looking at the PDF for all headphone measurements. Based on all that, you'd think these measurements would actually be much flatter with more bass up to the 1KHz point instead of sloping down like that. If so, that would actually be a pretty decent FR.

Maybe this just truly is how they sound! I wouldn't be shocked or anything. My ears could have adapted to them over time since I own very few headphones now, but I'm still curious about these measurements. I was thinking about it, and I'm not sure how they could have been damaged in my hands or during shipping to sound like that. Guess we'll have to see if Marv finds anything different when he checks them again. I'll make sure they didn't magically change in sound once I get them back as well but am not expecting anything different.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 03:03:59 PM »

Looks more like a 500hz 'lower mid hump' than bass rolloff.   :)p17

Shave that 500hz hump off and it looks rather linear.


Jokes aside, I wonder if it really is the alpha pads lowering bass output.  Somebody said putting the alpha pads on he-400 lowered its bass output too.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 04:31:55 PM »

And yes, I find them mid-centric (like the unmodded T50RPs) but that's not bad (for me).

According to the graph they do indeed seem to retain some of the mid-forwardness of the stock can. For some reason I found that quality quite unlikeable in the stock T50RP.

The Mad Dogs I heard over at RMAF seemed a touch more even from bass to mids than the graphed ones.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 05:23:21 PM »

Looks more like a 500hz 'lower mid hump' than bass rolloff.   :)p17

Shave that 500hz hump off and it looks rather linear.

Jokes aside, I wonder if it really is the alpha pads lowering bass output.  Somebody said putting the alpha pads on he-400 lowered its bass output too.

That is actually true...maybe these do have a hump there and other measuring rigs didn't represent it correctly?

The alpha pads shouldn't lower the bass output compared to the dog pads. If you trust Dan's measurements, they're almost identical to the bass output from the dog pads. I believe he has a comparison on his site. That, and the latest measurements from Tyll have a pretty flat, solid response from 20Hz-1KHz. I'm under the impression Tyll's latest measurements also use the alpha pads, but even if it was the dog pads instead you'd think they would at least measure the same as the alpha pads below 300Hz since they do on Dan's measurements.

I wish I could have sent the dog pads in as well for comparison purposes. Unfortunately, the alpha pads required removing some sort of foam on the front side of the baffle that was used on the dog pads. Can't put the foam back on otherwise unless you're really careful or get new foam...and I threw that foam away. :/
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 05:38:12 PM »

And yes, I find them mid-centric (like the unmodded T50RPs) but that's not bad (for me).

According to the graph they do indeed seem to retain some of the mid-forwardness of the stock can. For some reason I found that quality quite unlikeable in the stock T50RP.


That was due to resonances on the stock T50RP messing the sound up... I actually had a "stock" and the Mad Dogs side by side and the changes were very evident. Pretty sure it's the same with the Paradox, basically that's why people mod them, to still have a mid-centric headphone without resonance.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 05:40:41 PM »

And yes, I find them mid-centric (like the unmodded T50RPs) but that's not bad (for me).

According to the graph they do indeed seem to retain some of the mid-forwardness of the stock can. For some reason I found that quality quite unlikeable in the stock T50RP.


That was due to resonances on the stock T50RP messing the sound up... I actually had a "stock" and the Mad Dogs side by side and the changes were very evident. Pretty sure it's the same with the Paradox, basically that's why people mod them, to still have a mid-centric headphone without resonance.

I'm sorry to butt in but the Paradox is NOT mid-centric. It's NOT bass-centric and it's NOT treble-centric. I don't tune my headphones to sound like an LCD-3.
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Re: MadDog Measurements
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 06:14:23 PM »

One thing to keep in mind are that bass measurements are very tricky. Getting the right seal does matter quite a bit.

That being said, I would like to point out that my bass measurements for planar type transducers tends to vary much more than that of other websites which tend to show them as extended and flat. Take at look at 007,009, LCD2r1, HE500, etc.
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