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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2013, 04:40:19 PM »

Of course I will, no question about it.

Well, if it's successful, then maybe we can convince you to sell a very small batch!

As an aside, how hard would it be to do the same with the sony EX-1000? I always felt that this was a very good driver and that Sony's choices for tuning might not be the most sucessful sound (although I'm sure they had their reasons and I like the ex-1000 very much).
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2013, 05:46:19 PM »

Much harder, it's a very complex multi-part system from what I can gather. I bet it would just break when taking it apart.
GR07 is just a cellulose driver inside a nice brass grille, with some venting on the back.
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2013, 09:40:45 PM »

Sorry to ask so many questions,  but it's really cool you are doing this. Would you put in some sort of basic or complex dampening system? Something more than the gr07 has, at any rate? How will you tune it?
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2013, 09:56:05 PM »

I'll make a version in silicone and later in 3D printed ABS.

We'll see what kind of damping is necessary. I have Hifiman foam, fabric and mesh dampers and some microfibre cloth if necessary. I can also use Knowles dampers if highs prove to be problematic - or for venting.
Internally, I'm thinking to use either cotton or glass wool behind the driver. Cotton is less stable against moisture, but dampens highs better. (so good in fact one has to be careful with the amount)
No venting most likely, since this driver is bassy as it is. I can add vents if they prove to be necessary. GR07 itself has only a front pinhole vent.

The tubing will be wider than VSonic's standard nozzle, which actually limits highs extension of the driver based on a preliminary check of the previous IEM. I'll use 4/6mm silicone tube in the silicone variant, no extra tubing for ABS variant is necessary, as the interior will be printed too.

By the way, the 7k hotness in GR07 is caused by a shell resonance, so should be gone by default.
GR07 Bass Edition can also be used, it's the same driver with more venting on the shell. (extra 2 pinholes, one near strain relief, the other on front outside the tip)
Flagship has a different shell material (polypropylene?) and has 2 out of 3 vents: front one and the strain relief one.

On an unrelated note, I have 2x Knowles TWFK from Brainwavz B2 and 2x Sonion 26A005/8 armatures from Sleek Audio SA-6.
Unfortunately, I don't have any good extreme treble BA - will have to order. Sonion makes one that extends up to 20k pretty linearly. (Found it: Sonion 2354)
Yes, I do have parts to build a passive crossover, but I'll use a design similar to UE PRM - with the crossover as an add on box. Easier to tweak it that way.

So, given what armatures I have right now, I could build a combo where both armatures work almost in parallel, but TWFK is filtered with a 6k semi-wide cut, while Sonion has a smaller cut around 2.5k. Need a slight resonant boost at 1k, as both of these have a dip.

I will start a thread elsewhere to not completely derail this one.
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2013, 06:57:36 AM »

Really? Because Tupac is the one who had two sets, one old, one new, and found there to be difference in the sound, leading him to sell the newer set. Ha ha at the idea that Tupac's sets were differently sized and your "challenge" to show pictures, although maybe you should talk to Tupac, he's friends with Gavin, so maybe he has several 1plus2's as well and your fantasy photo shoot can be fulfilled in part.

Gregorz tried to invalidate someone's warranty on HF because they had carried it around in their pocket one time., so if he's really re-doing fit for free regardless of how long they've had it, then that would be a significant change in customer service.

I have PMed with Tupac many times, and I will just say you don't have the story 100% correct.  If you look at my SE5 review, I have 2 and they sounded a bit different due to canal length differences.  Tupac didn't sell his newer set BTW.  Wrong seems to be a recurring theme with your posts.

As you know, the picture is to prove you and your GF have the SE5.  Seems you both have the same exact ear size and the SE5 you borrowed just happens to fit perfectly.  Why bother customising them?

As far as the warranty, do you really know the whole story, because you are sure stating it like you don't.

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There's some background as to why I'm making fun of AJ--you see, he found the same magical soundstage with the EarSonics sm3. There was a whole process where he tested a number of iems, the sm3 was he favorite and it had this magical soundstage that nobody else described, the process was repeated with ciems, the se5 and magical soundstage.

More false information, or mis-interpretation coming from the defender of the mg6pro, but as expected.  If anyone is interested enough, I would recommend they see Kunlun's responses to any mg6pro detractors in his mg6pro thread (not to mention the comparisons with a universal demo of the JH16 without letting people know it was a demo), and then read my SM3 threads as well as the multitude of other reviews that agree with my review.
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2013, 08:11:18 AM »

Consider my allowance of this dialogue to be a form of 'Constructive Engagement' which hopefully leads to 'Detente'.  Maybe someone learns something about the SE5 along the way.  popcorn
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2013, 05:58:31 PM »

Thanks, Anaxilus! I'm Kunlun Reagan and it's A. J. Botha.

First of all, chickenshit accusations aren't a way to handle this, AJ. I'm going to post a picture of AS's SE5 and you will man up and apologize or you will never, ever hear the end of it.

The other lies are just pathetic. I'll answer them if you want to be be proven wrong. I will say that Cn11 and Soundfreaq don't like the mg6pro as much as I do and hey presto nobdoy cares and we're all cool.

If you can find someone who says as you do that both the sm3 and se5 have magical mids/soundstages which cannot be defined because they magically change to fit the music, then I will concede the point with the manly, Reagan-like statesmanship for which I am known.



Okay, for the se5. I was told by a person who had talked with tupac via pm that there was a difference in no uncertain terms and that this difference, as near as could be determined, began with units starting around May 2012. Again, I am telling you the truth, that is what I was told. Tupac's public statements may be different. I am not going to reveal my sources, you will just have to accept that.


For the warranty issue, that is a big deal. IIRC, a head-fi'er stated that he had a quality control issue and Gregorz told him the warranty was void because he had put the se5 in his pocket. Gregorz was forced to walk that back and ended up accepting the se5 for service, but it was a bad sign that he had even tried to void the warranty in the first place.

Otherwise, I like the se5 and AstralStorm nailed it in his description. The mids don't magically change, but they are nice.


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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2013, 06:40:30 PM »

Posting a photo of AS' SE5 is not what AJ was asking. 
 
This "I heard someone say that this person PM'ed that..." is not acceptable in a continued argument.
 
I'm now tired of this and am asking you to stop it.  Until better evidence exists that there is a revision change, the only thing I can figure out is that some units may have issues and need to be sent back for rework. Oh, and Kunlun likes the SE5 and Astralstorm nailed it in his description. Fantastic.
 
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2013, 06:52:53 PM »

 Uh, AJ said the picture was to prove I actually have an se5 at hand. It's right in this thread...

I  If you see AS's se5 it's like a demo set with long canals. It's pretty amazing.

As for the rest, sorry?
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Re: Spiral Ear SE 5-way Reference IEM Measurements
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2013, 07:21:55 PM »

Fine, let's move on.  Thank you.
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