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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2013, 03:28:41 AM »


Regarding soundstage, those Harbeths must be awful, or set up really awfully?  The HD800's staging/imaging did not hold a candle to what I had going here in that regard (before selling my Invicta yesterday).  Agree with the inner level detail thing though.

Also, it probably takes a little while to get used to having the music come from in front of you, rather than behind you (or next to your face).

What's your 800 rig again?
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2013, 03:45:48 AM »

my high WAF factor compromise at the gf's place has been Sunfire CRM-2 ribbons on CRM-stands, unobtrusive amplification, and an outlaw LFM-1 EX that doubles as a side table :(

Unlike my place, there's no treatments in the room and it sounds only okay. I had to ditch my custom woofers and speakers in compromise.

It's funny, no matter what I've heard from both sides of the argument, the closest I've ever heard to "being there" has been a pair of Dennis Murphy's Philharmonic 3s in a well treated room on a pro amp. I've never heard imaging from a setup (stereo no less!!!) that has come close. I still get chills. I had the opportunity to pop in MTT and the SF Symphony performing Mahler's 6th and I swear to god it sounded as close to being there as I've ever heard it (having had the pleasure of hearing them perform in person).

If they weren't ugly as sin and I wouldn't be compromising my relationship, I'd be living with those suckers happily.
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 03:56:13 AM »

Funny you mention that, I was just reading about some Murphys a few days ago.
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 04:06:13 AM »

glad you're enjoying the Fostex FR experience purrin.  i love my modest uFonken^2 with a pair of FF85K per side for 'puter-fi.  they're reflex loaded in a smaller cab and not horn loaded so bass is lacking, but feck all hell, the mid-range is lovely.  no super tweets needed with this 3" driver IMO.  the speaks are driven by a DIY B1/F5.  better than HPs, technically speaking, yes in most regards, but i really like the intimate experience of HPs.  i don't really prefer one over the other.

just slap a few coats of tung oil in the cabs after a bit of sanding and call it good.   
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 04:06:59 AM »

With the ever-escalating prices of TOTL's, headphones are definitely much less of a value proposition than they once were.


However, there are some things great headphones do that I've found even great speakers have a hard time with (speed of Stax, low level detail of the HD800 as examples you pointed out) and there is so much less that goes into setting up a listening session with headphones. You put them on your head and that's it.  I daresay headphone listeners spend more time actually listening to music than speaker users. Its just inconvenient most of the time.

Just spent the last couple hours listening to speakers though, and it was very experiential and enveloping.  Headphones can have a hard time with that as its pumping the music straight into your ears.

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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2013, 04:07:54 AM »

I plan on engineering high quality speakers (whatever the fuck that means) and placing them inside a pocket universe that will, from the outside, resemble a pair of Portapros covered in lilac-purple nail polish.
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 04:09:59 AM »

Funny you mention that, I was just reading about some Murphys a few days ago.

If you can, do your damndest to audition a pair. I've been a believer since I heard the Salk Songtowers. The man knows crossovers like an artist.
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2013, 04:18:29 AM »

[size=78%]just slap a few coats of tung oil in the cabs after a bit of sanding and call it good. [/size]

Yup, I've got a can of it and 400grit sandpaper. I will probably be doing it the hard way. Tung-oil, sand, wait. x2. x3. x4.

BTW, I recall you mentioning the uFonkens. Must have planted a subliminal seed.





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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2013, 06:04:40 AM »

Hooked up the spare stuff with the speaker rig, so CD player and Gungnir, and still was not feeling it. Decided to throw the X-Sabre in to see if anything changed, and boy did it. Soundstage opened right up. I still lack a lot of detail with my Paradigm Studio 40s but this is actually pretty nice. With the smoothness yet still detailed sound it is very relaxing, I actually fell asleep accidently. Still a bit tired from this weekend, and haven't helped myself by staying up really late so it wasn't unexpected.

I could listen to this setup a lot more.
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Re: Headphones as good as $40K speaker systems for a fraction of? BULLSHIT!
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2013, 06:17:01 AM »

Nice work Purrin. I wasn't always a fan of wide-banders, but I've come around. They have many of the upsides of horns without the massive coloration and "cupped hands" sound that ruins most horns for me.

Getting the most out of speakers pretty much requires at least a semi-dedicated listening space. You need to be able to allocate at least 2-3 feet of space between the speaker and the front and side walls, and some space behind the listening position is also a big plus. Then you need to start dealing with the acoustics, and the smaller the space, generally the worse problems you'll have there, with swings in response that can be +/- 10dB or more. Suckouts that usually occur around 50-70Hz can completely vaporize response in that region entirely.

Take a really good speaker though like an OBX-RW and put it in a proper room, and no headphone will be able to come within a mile. Soundstage and headstage are two different things. At their best, headphones sound like monitors in a small space. At their best, speakers sound like you have your own private concert.

Harbeths are massively overrated buzz boxes. Feh.
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