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Author Topic: Back to Speakers! And so it begins... again! Madisound BK-16 Fostex fe166 kit.  (Read 37266 times)

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Re: Speakers -- And so it begins...
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2013, 04:21:18 PM »

Again, subjectively, there is more mid-bass than the measurements indicate. I have a very good room and only need to worry about the left wall. The speaker as it is EQ'd right now sounds nothing like a "horn". In fact, it sounds rather like a studio monitor. I may reverse the slight treble EQ bump to so it sounds less like a studio monitor. What I do find interesting is how much this speaker (and practically every other speaker I've built) responds to EQ. Headphones are EQ'able too. But for some reason, headphones always strongly impart their own sonic signature despite EQ. At least they do so much more strongly than speakers (with the drivers I have chosen so far - I tend not to pick Grado'ish or Beyer'ish drivers to work with.)
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Re: Speakers -- And so it begins...
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2013, 04:27:48 PM »

I'll try to hit your place today after work if you're available Purrin. I'll bring my hard drive.  :)
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2013, 09:49:40 PM »

Marv, what you're referring to as comb effects is more like the typical LF room response (with peaks indicating the resonance frequencies (unless the mode is poorly excited by the speaker or or the mic is in a node region for that mode hence not seeing it). The dips in between resonance is just because there's nothing else going on (the response is the sum contribution of all modes at the frequency so you get some contribution from to the resonances below and some from those above).

Looking at your graph the roll-off starts below 200Hz (the horn loading gives it the gentler slope I assume?). The driver itself has an Fs around 50Hz I guess? at least, it seems the loaded resonance is there such that the response drops sharply below that.

In any case, it's a good thing you did not try too hard to compensate for this, as I don't presume the full range driver has so much excursion freedom?

Looks like a nicely behaved driver overall though, ;)
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2013, 10:03:30 PM »

Na, it's not the typical LF room response (at least the portion 100Hz and above).  I've done this a many times with other speakers. I'm pretty sure it's the interaction between the mouth of the horn and the driver. The 70Hz dip could be a room thing though. I'm hoping it's not because otherwise it would be difficult to correct.

The driver's Fs is at 50Hz. The driver does not have any excursion - my guess is 1mm (forgot the specs). It wouldn't do high SPL. And at higher SPL, it does not sound so nice either.
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2013, 11:00:15 PM »

Humm, interesting. If you can give me the dimensions of the horn (some 2D diagram would be awesome, maybe some scan of the assembly brochure?), I can try a simple simulation of the horn, we'll see what it really does vs. a planar baffle (or no baffle at little even though it's a little silly).
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2013, 07:46:02 PM »

OK, 20 points for whoever can pick out the funny or interesting thing in the photo...
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2013, 07:51:08 PM »

Speakers driven straight out of the Schiit headphone amp  :)
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2013, 08:04:45 PM »

How does that sound? And what is the power output at that resistance?
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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2013, 08:18:23 PM »

I have no idea what the Mjolnir power output is at the nominal 8 ohms of those Fostex (rises to 60 odd something at 45-50Hz and 32 ohms at 20kHz). The Crest amp seems to provide better bass extension, solidity, and slightly better control. The Mjolnir output has more air (not unexpected giving its 1+ ohm output Z) and clearer with more microdynamics and plankton - it's more involving of a listen.

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Re: Back to Speakers!!! And so it begins... again
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2013, 08:21:14 PM »

Holy Schiit!
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