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Author Topic: Back to Speakers! And so it begins... again! Madisound BK-16 Fostex fe166 kit.  (Read 37266 times)

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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 10:16:55 PM »

Plywood instead of MDF for cost reduction?

It's birch, costs a bit more than MDF.

Since it's a kit, it makes sense. I use to hate wood chips and having to extensively predrill over and over back in my speaker building days and I had to cut it myself.


You don't see plywood when u zoom in?
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 10:20:04 PM »

You don't see plywood when u zoom in?

It's birch plywood. The more expensive, lighter alternative to MDF for box building (also chips more easily when cutting and requires tons of predrilling).

edit: I think this is the specific kit: http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/full-range-speaker-kits/fostex-bk-16-folded-horn-kit-pair/

Complete aside: I once used random construction adhesive for box building thinking it would be better than regular old wood glue. I spilled a bunch on my ungloved left hand thinking I could remove it with SOMETHING later. Fast forward an hour and I'm frantically using everything (including gasoline) to get it off. I looked like I had a zombie hand for a couple of weeks there. It wouldn't come off without skin.
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 12:29:40 AM »

Longish setting wood glue is absolutely necessary. Not fun fitting all the pieces together on top of the the left side panel and then having to fit the right side panel in place.



One speaker is undergoing testing right now. Hard to gauge overall clarity or openness because only using one speaker, but it does sound promising.
  • Kiss flat FR good-bye. The horn and driver WILL create a comb effect in the response for the bass and lower mids. It will be interesting to see if surgical EQ can correct this. I am not hopeful.
  • I was afraid this would have a slightly rising response like the Voxactiv's. It does not. In fact, I would describe this speaker has having a somewhat reverse TH-900 response. Bass extends surprisingly low to 50-60Hz, but then drops like a rock. Upper mids on up through high treble are recessed. Strong emphasis on low to mid-midrange.
  • Rolled off up top. Personally, I WILL need a supertweeter to augment the Fostex. A joke among speaker designers is that these kinds of full range horns are for old people who have lost their high frequency hearing. I think there's some truth to that. As an FYI, old audiophiles hate it when you even hint that their high frequency hearing is shot. They get all testy, defensive, and shit.
  • It's very fast sounding. Evident on string plucks, percussion, voices, etc. Very punchy. Throws sound at you. I almost jumped off my seat to the bass Jennifer Warnes' Rock You Gently. Funny considering that only the harmonics of the bass notes were being produced - the fundamental bass notes being well below what this speaker could reproduce.
  • Amazingly resolving in the midrange.
  • Congested on passages where there was a lot was going on. But this could be because I was using only one speaker, and hence driving it louder than I would if there were two speakers.
  • I suspect the solid-state electronics used are holding this speaker back. A well executed tube amp may be the ticket for this speaker to reach its potential in terms of dynamics and resolution.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 12:46:42 AM by purrin »
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2013, 07:38:54 PM »

So would you call the frequency a reverse V? How would you compare performance to say, a Klipsch RF-42 II, or would that be apples and oranges?
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 02:31:35 AM »

Hope you could try out the Loki kit as well, been lookin into getting one :D This kit would be something to consider if it weren't for the comb effect, shall look at further impressions.
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 04:39:10 PM »

The audiophile desktop speakers I built are similar to the Loki kit. Except much smaller woofer driver (but higher quality Seas) and actively powered. I had also built another similar kit to the Loki - again using Seas drivers. The Loki should sound great, but I'm past the point of low efficiency passive crossover 2 ways. Have built over half a dozen or so in my lifetime.
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 05:17:31 PM »

I know its not fair to compare but are full-range's generally 'faster' than the Seas coax? I would love to go active anytime but I have no expertise on building speakers so hopefully will learn with time.
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 05:18:35 PM »

Are you dampening the enclosure with felt or wool?
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 05:24:47 PM »

So would you call the frequency a reverse V? How would you compare performance to say, a Klipsch RF-42 II, or would that be apples and oranges?

Not really comparable. The BK16 kit is a back loaded horn. The klipsch has a front horn tweeter. Different sound and goals.
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Re: And so it begins...
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2013, 05:31:19 PM »

Damping with acoustic-stuff fake will. Only a little bit behind the driver.
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