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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #330 on: September 24, 2015, 09:26:56 PM »





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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #331 on: September 24, 2015, 11:03:52 PM »

Those Kronos tables are built out of Montreal which is 2 hours away from me.

Next year I'm considering getting one as my "destination" table but I need to hear/look at the other options on my list: VPI Avenger, TechDas AF3 (or used AF2) and definitely what Technics has up their sleeve with the SP10 update they have in the works.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #332 on: September 25, 2015, 02:28:35 AM »

Those Kronos tables are built out of Montreal which is 2 hours away from me.

Next year I'm considering getting one as my "destination" table but I need to hear/look at the other options on my list: VPI Avenger, TechDas AF3 (or used AF2) and definitely what Technics has up their sleeve with the SP10 update they have in the works.

Can the Kronos fit a 12" arm? One of their tables can't, and I don't remember which one it is. No 12" for me is an immediate disqualifier.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #333 on: September 25, 2015, 03:05:46 PM »

The big Kronos (Pro) can do 12" arms.  The Sparta are limited to 10.5".   I don't think I could afford a Pro.  The base Sparta is something like 15K without the arm.

I'm not sure of the advantages/disadvantages between 10.5" and 12".  In theory better tracking?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #334 on: September 25, 2015, 03:37:14 PM »

The big Kronos (Pro) can do 12" arms.  The Sparta are limited to 10.5".   I don't think I could afford a Pro.  The base Sparta is something like 15K without the arm.

I'm not sure of the advantages/disadvantages between 10.5" and 12".  In theory better tracking?

Much lower tracking distortion, and less susceptibility to variance in VTA from records of different thicknesses due to the increased distance from the pivot point. IME a pivoted 12" arm provides the least compromises of all available arm designs. Tracking distortion won't be "perfect" like a tangential tracker (except at null points where it is perfect), but tangential trackers are rarely ever perfect, at least the ones below the extreme air bearing designs like the Kuzma anyway. And assuming the cartridge was made properly, and the correct alignment was used, the distortion that is there will be low enough to not really matter. 

A 10" arm limit on a $15K table IMO is a total fail - my ~$4K Nottingham has the 12" Ace 294 arm made just for it, and everything above mine in the line uses the 12" Ace Anna. I would much rather have a 12" arm on a Spiral Groove or Dr. Feickert than a 10" arm on a Kronos. It costs a couple of hundred bucks more to get a 12" Graham Phantom for example over their 10," and you'll get a MUCH bigger improvement from that upgrade than any record clamp or other tweak for similar money.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #335 on: September 26, 2015, 06:20:56 PM »

Fair points.  Also the Kronos tables don't come with an arm included in the price so I'm really not sure about the value especially compared to something like a VPI Avenger which comes with the excellent 3D arm and you can add 2 more of your choice from any manufacturer with a little bit of work.

BTW I buckled and ordered an Ortofon DS-3 scale from Japan.  Too much audiophile nervosa with the Lyra and it's super tight VTF tolerance.
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