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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2013, 09:15:26 AM »

Some people somehow manage to get banned/warned all the time...
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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2013, 09:00:41 PM »

I never looked through that comment thread before. Jeez, I'm surprised how extreme some of the arguments get.

The whole "subjectivist vs. objectivist" thing going on in the headphone world reminds me a lot of the sabermetrics vs. traditionalists in the baseball world. Baseball analysts and fans still today will get in heated arguments about how people don't play baseball using a spreadsheet and how they need to use their eyes to see what is going on and not care about whatever WARVORPOWHIP is being used. Sabermetricists argued that a lot of what they were seeing with their eyes and what they felt was true was just chance and luck at play.

After a while, baseball reached a relatively happy medium where most people and analysts seem to agree that you can use statistical measurements alongside observations from scouts to best determine how good players in baseball are and how much to pay them. Hopefully, the headphone audio world at large will reach that level of maturity soon.
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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2013, 09:30:46 PM »

Good analogy!
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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2013, 04:47:18 AM »

I never looked through that comment thread before. Jeez, I'm surprised how extreme some of the arguments get.

The whole "subjectivist vs. objectivist" thing going on in the headphone world reminds me a lot of the sabermetrics vs. traditionalists in the baseball world. Baseball analysts and fans still today will get in heated arguments about how people don't play baseball using a spreadsheet and how they need to use their eyes to see what is going on and not care about whatever WARVORPOWHIP is being used. Sabermetricists argued that a lot of what they were seeing with their eyes and what they felt was true was just chance and luck at play.

After a while, baseball reached a relatively happy medium where most people and analysts seem to agree that you can use statistical measurements alongside observations from scouts to best determine how good players in baseball are and how much to pay them. Hopefully, the headphone audio world at large will reach that level of maturity soon.

 You have to remember that the medium was only reached after the SM crowd failed to produce consistent series winners. What it did do was clean out a lot of old guard scouting habits and establish an actual value system for work done by players (which most teams went on to ignore cause you cannot get more budget money from team owners if you preach value:))

The audio world being a subset of the consumer electronics world will never get there. Half the problem is most do not know exactly what to measure, and the other half don't care anyway.
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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2013, 08:28:21 PM »

The baseball analogy works for me.  A few years ago, I was doing a lot of my own analysis and actively posting on some Texas Rangers forums.  They've had a lot of success recently by relying heavily on both subjective scouting reports and statistical analysis.  Anyway, as a mod on one of the forums, I had to deal with a lot of arguments that sprouted from someone completely disagreeing with some stats.  On the whole though, it seemed the vast majority of the forum members preferred a mix of scouting and stats. 

More importantly, if anyone actually cares about baseball, here's a few scouting reports that I found hilarious:
http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/5/9/4314164/scouting-reports-hunter-pence-derek-jeter
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Re: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2013, 10:21:45 PM »

The baseball analogy works for me.  A few years ago, I was doing a lot of my own analysis and actively posting on some Texas Rangers forums.  They've had a lot of success recently by relying heavily on both subjective scouting reports and statistical analysis.  Anyway, as a mod on one of the forums, I had to deal with a lot of arguments that sprouted from someone completely disagreeing with some stats.  On the whole though, it seemed the vast majority of the forum members preferred a mix of scouting and stats. 

More importantly, if anyone actually cares about baseball, here's a few scouting reports that I found hilarious:
http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/5/9/4314164/scouting-reports-hunter-pence-derek-jeter

By god that actually sounds like something Philly would do.:)

The thing about the metrics was they had no input on personality and dynamics with others. That can make a mediocre player a go and at times and a technical talent a pass over.
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