Topic: Changstar & The Subjective Objectivist Movement & New-comers (Read 1264 times)

Valentin Hogea · « **on:** December 20, 2012, 07:11:59 AM »

I'll be writing up a pretty hefty review for the Paradox for headfonia.com in a couple of weeks. And in the intro I'll be discussing the Subjective Objectivist movement, driven by places/guys like changstar/Tyll etc. etc. I know that our reviews aren't the most popular here. I however, can not be held accountable for my fellow co-reviewers opinions. All I can account for is myself.

My question is. Discussing it and linking to e.g. HD800-mod, Paradox CSD's etc. There will be some traffic here. How is this movement to newcomers? I felt that I've been received most pleasant. But I'm one guy. What if 100 guys like me appear and just keep asking questions etc. Will this aid this forum or annoy? I know that there are a lot of links from Head-Fi to CSD's on changstar, but I'm asking just in case.

So:
Rule nr 1 - You do not talk about Fight Club?
... or
Talk about it as much as you like, link, discuss, enlighten?

Thx,
V

MuppetFace · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:19:46 AM »

This is honestly the first time I've heard "subjective objectivist." Didn't know we were part of a movement.

Marvey · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:32:23 AM »

We're usually pretty cool with newcomers. Not always. Novices are always welcome and as long as questions are asked intelligently, most longer time members are patient and make sincere attempt to answer them.

I think only three people have been banned (one is a conspiracy theorist who keeps making sock accounts via proxies / VPN and is banned at several other forums, another is a HF mod who has banned by someone else than me, and yet another is some moron who kept quoting me out of context.)

Also one or two others got slammed hard for promoting certain agendas or having axes to grind (but haven't been banned permanently).

Tyll already opened the floodgates, and I'm back being more active on the site again after a month hiatus, so I think we can handle any additional load. I figure most people who want to be here or find this place a good resource are already here by now.

donunus · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:39:30 AM »

VH, Think of this site as a place for people that want to make sense of what actually makes sense... if that makes any sense LOL. In other words, Trying to understand measurements by seeing how they relate with the sound. If certain measurements don't jive with what you hear for example, then I would go with the subjective first. For noobies however, measurements might not always make sense right away so I suggest to them to listen more first before trying to make sense of the correlation of the subjective and the objective.

shipsupt · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2012, 10:52:17 AM »

And please, don't attempt to narrowly label the forum or the people. One of the great things about Changstar is that our pirates are independent thinkers who aren't confined to simply follow and instead choose to detour around stereotypes.

You reviews are a great example. Your view is that they aren't popular here. I'd offer that they are well read by the membership and often discussed by the pirates. No, not everyone agrees with all the content and views, but they create good discussion. That is, in my view, a part of the essence of the group here. We often have the most heated discussions amongst our own, but in the end inevitably we rally around some objectivity and generally find there is a solid base we agree on.

Looking forward to reading your review.

Deep Funk · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2012, 01:34:33 PM »

If anything about Changstar I like the fact that having a sense of humour counts too...

fishski13 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 20, 2012, 02:59:29 PM »

MF once stated something along the lines of that this forum is more about the process of it's members enjoying h-fi playback. i think this sums up Changstar perfectly. the measurements/objective content add to the collective knowledge and can aid in this process for a member wishing a deeper understanding, whether or not you're looking for an objective/strict neutral or a purely subjective experience. for me personally, it's an attempt to correlate measurements with subjective experiences. for this, i am grateful for the likes of purrin and Tyll in headphonedom.

all views are welcomed as long as you don't have an agenda or an axe to grind.

Tari · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2012, 03:23:07 PM »

New members are welcome - those with agendas or who take personal offense when someone insults their gear may not find a lasting home here though.

I agree with ship that labeling this forum is pigeonholing it - it is more than that, and the membership here does have some diversity. We also don't take ourselves or the import of this hobby very seriously, as Deep Funk alluded to. People here are very independently minded - that means no hive mind/group think, no hype or marketing affecting our opinions, and no sponsorships that may curtail us from voicing those opinions.

We're not like old people in rocking chairs yelling "get off my lawn." You're fine on the lawn as long you don't piss on the grass. Though our lawn is pretty open to all, we do have lawn order.

Marvey · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2012, 04:26:13 PM »

Also, I think you find that members talk much more about music here than at HF.

Cristello · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:35:12 PM »

I've figured for a while now that many here were of that camp [Subjective Objectivism, that is...]
A key difference between Changstar and other places, I believe, is that we recognize the validity of preferences but also see them for what they are... Unless one accounts for them any obtained realizations are obfuscated and unrealistic.

In summary, collective truth over blind self-fulfillment.

(I sometimes think I'm a bit the other way around: an objective-subjectivist, but that's a whole 'nother thread.)

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