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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2012, 02:57:03 AM »

I'm listening to a stock t50rp now out of a budget fiio e10DAC to O2 setup and I am actually finding that the biggest thing wrong with this stock config is the boomy upper bass. Its a little fatiguing but I have a feeling that when modded these will sound great. If this upper bass is tamed enough to let the highs come through better, these will be awesome cans since what i hear from the high frequency quality now is awesome!

Oh and except for the upper bass/lower mids bloat, the mids are nice and big sounding.
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2012, 11:59:37 AM »

I tried them, nothing really sounded bad but I wasn't convinced either. I might consider buying it again for some changes...
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2012, 04:01:06 PM »

The more I listen to the stock T50RPs, the less happy I am with them.  I was positive at first, but they have the sound of speakers in a room with terrible acoustics to me.  It sounds like the high-end is completely shaved off (lacks the cleanness in the highs that I'm used to hearing from the SR225i), but I do like the mids of the stock T50RP.

I've heard headphones with similar acoustic properties of the stock T50RP.  The weird thing about the T50RP is that I can hear cleanness in the mids, whereas those cheap headphone alternatives tend to just sound smeared and imprecise overall.  The problem is that the lack of cleanness in the highs and the weird things happening in the lows are becoming more and more distracting to me.
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2012, 04:38:07 PM »

I believe they made some slight changes to the T50RP somewhere during the Fall 2011-Spring 2012 window, correct? I remember the first pair I got sounded horrible. It had some redeeming qualities but was mostly weirdness all around. The newer version didn't offend my ears nearly as much. I actually found a good bit to like about it! I know the material behind the driver was slightly changed, as was the color on the metal headband rods. It was probably the different color on the headband rods that contributed to the change.
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2012, 04:57:20 PM »

It was probably the different color on the headband rods that contributed to the change.

LOL.  Eleysian, you should think of the T50rp as a headphone you pulled off the production block before it was finished.  They stuck the drivers in there, but they hadn't put the damping in the cups yet. 
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 05:47:54 PM »

hans: I received my T50RPs in July, so unless they were a set that's been sitting on the stockroom for awhile, I'd imagine they are a relatively recent production run.

RD: Does the dampening help significantly with that weird echo (it's not really an echo, but it just sounds way too boomy in a bad way, like when virtualization audio 3D mode is turned way too high)?  I like the mids but I wish there was more crispness in the highs and a tighter lower end.  Can mods really make that much of a difference, or do the mods only help with the weird echo?
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 06:16:48 PM »

If you heard my T50rp's and a stock pair blindfolded you would think they were completely different headphones.  Damping is incredibly important with orthos, especially a closed ortho and even more especially a closed ortho with a driver like the T50rp which really needs to be slapped into submission.  I can't emphasize the idea enough that the stock T50rp is an unfinished headphone.  Think of it as you would think of an amp that is missing some vital peice.  Or a Porche if you put Prius suspension on it.  It would be hard to judge the Porche's handling potential with that crappy suspension. 

The echo you're hearing is directly caused by the lack of damping. 

But damping doesn't just reduce cup resonance.  It changes the way the driver behaves, changes the speed and frequency response.  A well damped T50rp's driver is operating differently than a stock T50rp's driver.  Regardless of cup resonance. 
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2012, 07:23:02 PM »

Can mods really make that much of a difference, or do the mods only help with the weird echo?

Yes, mods can make a dramatic difference. And while I could never get my pair up to the level of LFF's Paradox, even basic mods can make a world of difference.
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2012, 12:48:57 PM »

hans: I received my T50RPs in July, so unless they were a set that's been sitting on the stockroom for awhile, I'd imagine they are a relatively recent production run.

RD: Does the dampening help significantly with that weird echo (it's not really an echo, but it just sounds way too boomy in a bad way, like when virtualization audio 3D mode is turned way too high)?  I like the mids but I wish there was more crispness in the highs and a tighter lower end.  Can mods really make that much of a difference, or do the mods only help with the weird echo?

just throw in some fiberglass(r-19 value is fine) or mineral wool(roxual is good stuff) and polyfill/fiberfill and see for yourself. pads make very nice difference too cause  how it couples to the ear. i liked using akg 240 pads and the shure 840 pads. the felt/cloth on the shure 840 helps good amount as well but i found the 240 foam discs found in the 240 studios work great too. it fit inside the shure pads fine. the pads alone can make a nice change cause how horrible the stock pads are and how close the drivers are to the ears.
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Re: Fostex T50RP Stock Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 04:04:18 PM »

I take it this is the version with more porous damping thingy and brushed headband rods right? purrin?
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