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Author Topic: Let's Talk DAPs - Sony, Cowon, iBasso, Hisound, etc.  (Read 32994 times)

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Re: Let's Talk DAPs - Sony, Cowon, iBasso, Hisound, etc.
« Reply #150 on: June 18, 2014, 11:46:57 PM »

The price wasn't exactly a surprise IMO given the success of the AK series (despite the number of revisions and a whole redesign in such a short span of time). As a budget-fi guy I hope all these trickle down to lower end models since I'm not too fond of the Fiio and Ibasso offerings. I do agree that Cowon needs to inject some utility into their UIs. They are beautiful aren't useful. My C2 for example is troublesome when scrolling through a large library. Hopefully battery life will be fantastic as usual. I use my C2 (replaced that spinning CD on the now playing page with a static one) almost everyday on the commute and I charge them only when they're plugged in the PC whenever I update the library.
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Re: Let's Talk DAPs - Sony, Cowon, iBasso, Hisound, etc.
« Reply #151 on: June 19, 2014, 03:46:42 AM »

Yeah I had heard the newest Clips sound worse. Never heard them myself.
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Re: Let's Talk DAPs - Sony, Cowon, iBasso, Hisound, etc.
« Reply #152 on: June 19, 2014, 07:50:44 AM »

I think this may be the first example of a PCM1792 based high-end DAP?

The FiiO X5 is PCM1792-based as well, so that's probably the first example, if you consider FiiO high-end. I'm sure there a super-obscure DAP released by some unknown Chinese company a couple years ago that also uses the PCM1792, but I don't know what it's called.

EDIT: Found it. It's called the Acoustic Research M1, and it's centered around the soft-programmable PCM1794, but basically the same, I guess.
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Re: Let's Talk DAPs - Sony, Cowon, iBasso, Hisound, etc.
« Reply #153 on: June 20, 2014, 11:03:29 AM »

I can't wrap my head around the price. $1300?... seriously? Do we now live in an age where an "audiophile" portable device costs 1K+ or bust? Big fan of the design though. Cowon has also mastered battery life in their previous offerings but I would have liked to see this device in the 400-600 range. As for their unconventional choice of chip, I have high hopes for the sonics. Finally a player that strays from the Sabre/Cirrus crap.

I'm waiting for a ~$180 DAP based around the PCM5122, which is basically the PCM5102A with extra software controls and digital volume control. It still accepts 32/384, so marketers will be satisfied, just no DSD. Even though the PCM51XX series is a voltage out chip, uses endogenous PLL, and it does have some minor charge pump noise problems, it does sound pretty good for the features it brings, as long as you do a respectable job of giving it clean power. It won't be yet-another-Sabre, but it brings nearly all of the features as the overused ES9023, plus some extras. It has a built-in IIR apodizing filter too (that's actually what Meridian used in the Explorer, instead of programming their own --- lazy bastards). So basically, if the PCB layout is right, you can get decent sound (not world beating, but decent) for fairly low BOM cost. Since it's a voltage-out chip, you just need a headamp buffer and you're good to go. Go with a dual DAC design, and you could do a differential design, drop in a cheap but powerful headamp IC (e.g. MAX97220A), and you'll get great performance that gets close to the DAC performance bottleneck.
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