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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2013, 06:36:42 AM »

I see the Beyer DT250-250 measurements are now up on Innerfidelity. The square wave readings look quite a bit better (bass seems straighter/stronger) than the ones on HeadRoom.

http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/build-a-graph.php?graphID%5B0%5D=223&graphID%5B1%5D=&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=30&graphType=3&buttonSelection=Update+Graph

^The bass square wave bows down a bit and also the "zero" point seems to be off. Bass extension (or the seal? but that seems quite consistent in the raw readings) seems quite a bit better on the Innerfidelity pair.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2013, 08:55:23 AM »

and here is the IF link http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT250250.pdf
Wow, they measure pretty good for an old headphone. Now I wonder how they stack up against Tylls new favorite closed can... the NAD hp50. Tyll? Any thoughts? Or are the NADs much better overall?
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2013, 12:34:58 PM »

hmm a good 4dB level difference between L and R from 300Hz to 2kHz (Tyll's version).
20Hz = -2dB  drop off above 10kHz

And to think that some people are bothered by a 0.1dB channel imbalance from an amplifier  :-Z.

the GE measurement seems to differ a lot  (I know...) no channel imbalance there.
http://en.goldenears.net/10680
20Hz= 0dB drop off above 10kHz

The Russian guys also had a better looking FR
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/beyerdynamic-dt-250-250-ohm/
BUT quite some differences between L and R also in the range of 4 to 5 dB which is (should be) more than obvious.
20Hz = -10dB no drop-off above 10kHz (a peak is even visible)

The Headroom plot looks a bit suspect .... roll-off in the lows starting from 100Hz and in the highs from 10kHz onwards ?
What's with that ? 20Hz = -15dB drop-off above 10kHz

I think the title of this thread thread is right on the money.... inconsistencies all over the place (channel imbalance) and or measurement/compensation errors.



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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2013, 02:33:48 PM »

^ That is why I had my first pair replaced. The inconsistency was more around the upper bass region on mine.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2013, 04:08:41 PM »

HeadRoom and goldenears.net show the 80 Ω version (the former incorrectly labels it as 250, but it can be seen on the impedance graph that it is really 80). That may or may not be responsible for some differences.

The odd thing about the pair tested at InnerFidelity is that it has decent matching in the bass and treble range, where balance problems are otherwise more common.

Some of the old HeadRoom/InnerFidelity graphs do show incorrect bass response (such as too much roll-off, or a large notch somewhere between 50 and 100 Hz), due to seal problems and resonance in the HATS. These have been fixed since then.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2013, 04:38:03 PM »

missed the 80 Ω part.  :-[

That accounts for the roll-off in the highs I reckon.

http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/beyerdynamic-dt-250-80-ohm/
This is the 80 Ω version measured by the Russians and also shows a roll-off in the highs.
The 250 Ω version measures better aside from the channel imbalance which is better on the 80 Ω version.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2013, 08:15:53 PM »

and here is the IF link http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT250250.pdf
Wow, they measure pretty good for an old headphone. Now I wonder how they stack up against Tylls new favorite closed can... the NAD hp50. Tyll? Any thoughts? Or are the NADs much better overall?

I'm not Tyll but I own both the HP50 and DT250-250 now. The main difference is in the bass region, the HP50 seems to be more detailed and the bass goes deeper. It also gives a wider sense of space, so the imaging is better. Other than that I feel like both headphones are very similar. Will add more impressions when I get used to how the NAD sounds.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2013, 09:55:34 PM »

I am Tyll and approve of the above post.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2013, 07:11:58 AM »

Just got Sforza's NAD's here and I feel the dt250-250s to be the better headphone overall by memory. The NAD is still nice and I still highly prefer them to the momentums.
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Re: My dt250-250 and beyer inconsistencies
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2013, 05:34:10 AM »

I am considering to replace the K181 with the DT250-250.

Is there a good case to transport the DT250 in that survives backpack abuse you can recommend?
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