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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2012, 09:57:40 AM »

I agree with you also, but I'm not criticizing their decision to not post graphs but it was just the "if someone says they are great, then there is no need to start analysing a graph" part that didn't fit too well. No disrespect meant for the manufacturer , I certainly appreciate them being more up-front with their customers.
You're right, probably not the best sentence from myself.

maverickronin put it quite nicely. The main issue is if there was a null point in a certain frequency area, something that is not noticeable to the human ear, people would start crying out and noticing tiny, unnoticeable issues with the FG. It's fine if a graph is analysed with complete objectivity, but that's not really possible in this world. If we were to show frequency graphs and then try and justify them, it would make us look as if we're trying to defend the product rather than allow people to make their own minds up from professional reviews. Which is why I put trust in people like LFF, Joker, purrin, etc. They can be subjective and objective when they need to be and allow a clear divide to be made from their own opinions to what can be seen on graphs.

I have never been a fan of promoting our own product without proper justification behind it, and my justification is the opinion and thorough examination from reviewers. Rarely do we emphasise or create unwarranted hype on products without somewhere or someone to back up our claims. The audiophile world is a very critical area, and that's why I much prefer real professionals reviewing our products and coming to their own conclusions on them. Be they negative or positive ones, at least it's not our own biased view that comes into action.

In all honesty, we'd be uncomfortable posting our own subjective opinions on our own products because I don't claim to be a complete professional and as knowledgeable as the likes of the people I mentioned above and more. I've listened to plenty of earphones in my lifetime and analysed a good number and have a good ear, but I still don't feel I'm at any level to call myself a reviewer or a pro with these sort of things. So we let the big boys do the talking for our products :)

How do you guys feel about testing out our new "create your CIEM" website that I will be releasing shortly? I'd like to run it through dummy tests before it gets released to the world and I think you guys would be the best people to test it out.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2012, 10:01:44 AM »

Sounds good.  I'll run whatever you have through the ringer.  Bring it!
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2012, 11:26:29 AM »

I don't really need graphs, I'm just trying to gauge the response as the bass-boosted BA IEMs I've heard tend to overdo it. A modest boost of, say, 6db would be nice, provided it dissipates not much past 200hz. Am I in the neighborhood?

Create-an-IEM sounds both awesome and dangerous. I'm looking forward to seeing how its implemented.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2012, 11:36:27 PM »

How do you guys feel about testing out our new "create your CIEM" website that I will be releasing shortly? I'd like to run it through dummy tests before it gets released to the world and I think you guys would be the best people to test it out.

Sounds pretty awesome to me.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2012, 09:16:33 PM »

http://customstest.frogbeats.com/products/1-frogbeats-c4

Big work in progress, naturally. However the important functionality is there and the base options exist. The colors are representations (close to exact of the dummy shells we have of each color) but as you should know with CIEMs no two are the true same, so it's to give you an idea. The prices aren't correct right now, as I was just testing it all. The clear canals option and logo option need to be fixed so you can actually see what you are selecting. Then there will the normal options such as "rush order". There are some customisation options that won't be available to preview such as glitter options, but the rest will be up there.

The cool thing is you can view your artwork on the CIEMs when uploading them (using the new HTML5 file object - if you care to know that). Now of course it's a complete gamble because you could essentially upload anything, but we'll set out guidelines for the preview so you can preview something that is a plausible artwork image.

The system won't work without javascript, of course, but the prices calculated cannot be manipulated on the frontend of the site, so I will create a non-js fallback (not that many browse without js enabled).

I wanted to keep it simple, engaging and helpful rather than some incredibly snazzy and complex system... so this is what I came up with. The cart and checkout also work, but it's in development mode so don't try and purchase anything. Welcome to try and break it and test it out.

Let me know your thoughts! Eagerly waiting for LFFs full review to be posted up as well.
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« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2012, 10:17:38 PM »

30 pounds for a different faceplate color seems a bit too much for me, other than that I did manage to make a pretty good looking IEM.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2012, 10:27:36 PM »

Could you change the label from right shell to right channel ear shell or something similar?  It's a little confusing for newbs to customs that the right shell color applies to the left shell on display which is really the right ear channel.


Black shell/plate seems to be wrong color.


Could we also have a colored canal option to go w/ other shell combinations too or is clear canal only possible?
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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2012, 10:39:29 PM »

Could you change the label from right shell to right channel ear shell or something similar?  It's a little confusing for newbs to customs that the right shell color applies to the left shell on display which is really the right ear channel.


Black shell/plate seems to be wrong color.


Could we also have a colored canal option to go w/ other shell combinations too or is clear canal only possible?
Yeah, I was thinking it was slightly unclear which was which seeing as they are photographed facing you. That's a good suggestion, can easily do that.

The black night is a poor colour name, it needs to be changed, but the shell colour is the correct one. The C4s that LFF received were designed specifically for him and that's why that colour isn't in the line up of options. Naturally if you want to make a colour request it can be done, but as with most companies, we are giving people the default colours to pick from first.

As for the canals, right now we're only offering clear canals. That might change in the next few weeks depending on what we decide.

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Ignore the prices right now, it should be £15, I was just messing with prices.
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« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2012, 09:59:06 PM »

Have you gotten around to measuring these yet, Marv?
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 10:40:58 PM by wiinippongamer »
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2012, 07:41:16 PM »

How would you go about using someone else's CIEM? As in how did Purrin hear this thing anyway?
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