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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 09:07:49 PM »

The C4 - it's explosively good.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 09:25:28 PM »

When you go to the audiologist, make sure he / she has experience with doing ear impressions for CIEMs. The audiologists where I live all mostly suck, and I had some very bad experiences as a result.

Insist that they look at your instruction sheet provided by the manufacturer who will be making your customs. Make them actually LOOK at it. I've heard so many stories about---and experienced for myself---audiologists not bothering to look at the instructions and snidely telling customers they "know what they're doing" because they've worked on hearing aids. Hearing aids aren't the same deal, no matter how much they may insist! Healthcare professions can be very smug and dismissive and convinced that their way is best, refusing to listen. Also don't let them pass you off to less skilled trainees.

The last audiologist I went to ignored the instructions and cast the impressions. When she screwed them up, she tried to put the blame on me, claiming to her boss that I never mentioned the instructions which was a blatant lie considering I repeatedly asked her to look at them. The boss himself was a complete lunatic, and ranted and raved about the instructions because they insisted cotton tips be used instead of foam. He was convinced there was no difference and was infuriated that he was put out by having to track some down. He also ranted about how expensive the customs were and how the company, located in China, was trying to "make money off of [his] work!" and how you can't trust the Chinese.

Obviously most audiologists wont be that patently insane, and that's really the most extreme of my experiences, but I cite it as a warning to make sure you speak up for yourself and don't let them get away with doing a half-assed job. I ended up having to pay for BOTH the first mistake impressions and the second correct impressions. Cost me $140 for the two. I could have contested it, but I was upset over the experience and wanted to get out as quickly as possible. You'd certainly be well within your rights to demand a do-over or refund as a result of their refusal to listen however. Just play it safe and make sure they know about CIEMs and have at least some experience with them and not just hearing aids. Even then, make sure they look at those damn instructions!

Getting your impressions returned or having to get a refit sucks and the shipping gets quite costly, so make sure you do everything you can to get the best possible impressions before hand as LFF says.

Sounds like you've had a hellish time with audiologists. Not cool! You're right about them reading the instructions and making sure they understand them. Luckily my audiologist and I had an indepth discussion about it all and what his thoughts were on the instructions and how he was going to do them. Interesting to see audiologists take on the instructions given to them. He was opinionated on it, but was more than happy to just stick to them and make sure they were done right, as he had plenty of experience with other artists. That's really the key, as you've said, make sure they've done CIEM impressions, or are willing to follow the instructions to the letter.

@ Tari - That's a fantastic line for it... Can't believe I never thought of it!
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2012, 11:32:28 PM »

Looks interesting.

I'll have to consider this line up for my future CIEM purchase.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2012, 03:35:36 PM »

The C4 - it's explosively good.

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Indeed it is.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2012, 05:10:32 PM »

Luis, would you consider them good for mastering?
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2012, 06:35:54 PM »

Hello David,
Please send the C5 to LFF so we can be sure it's as good with just a bit more oopmh like you describe. Sorry but I don't trust the other guys.
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2012, 06:46:57 PM »

Hello David,
Please send the C5 to LFF so we can be sure it's as good with just a bit more oopmh like you describe. Sorry but I don't trust the other guys.
I'm sorry to hear that you don't trust the other reviewers, but I do, and so do many others. I want other opinions on the other CIEMs before we start sending out all the models to the same reviewers. I'm well aware comparisons need to be made and that reviewers should be able to hear all 3 of them, however we decided this format to get the most exposure to begin with.

If you want to pay for his C5's, then please by all means ;) But the manufacturing process costs us money and we don't have that sort of extra cash to splash around until we're selling them. Hard truth, that.

I want the same as you, I'd love LFF to get his hands on the C5's right now, but there are certain obstacles in the way that cannot be passed with a flick of a finger right now.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2012, 07:29:46 PM »

I'm believe LFF should be dropping by one of these days for measurements on the C4. I'm sure they measure well because I trust his ears. Unless I calibrated my equipment specifically for the Paradox...
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2012, 07:32:33 PM »

Luis, would you consider them good for mastering?

With regards to the C4. No. They are not good for mastering. They are EXCELLENT.

I was using them a few days ago to master/restore a master tape late at night when using other headphones would be a no-no.
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Re: Review: Frogbeats C4 CIEM (special preview for pirates only!)
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2012, 07:33:40 PM »

If the guys return them can't they switch or they are offered ?

I had the jh16 but it turned to be worse deal I ever made, soundwise it was good. Even though I got them for 650€ when the euros was going strong I had fit issues and their customer service was beyond awful. I lost count of the time I sent it, they never read my description of the problem and would do the wrong retouch and even sent it one time with the wrong drivers so I just sold it.

Being in Europe and personally participating in the forums gives me confidence so I'm definitely interested.
Hows the refit policy and how long it takes ? Also is there a possibility to have the molding silicone tips similiar to what westone has ?

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