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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2013, 01:14:19 AM »

nope, they suffer the same flaw.
The newer ones come with the silver screen instead of the black "acoustic silk screen". I prefer the latter to quite some extend. The "Silver" HD 650/600 sound too bright for me... (I'm 25... if it helps)
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2013, 02:39:56 AM »

Hrm, makes me regret trading the HD580 I had a while ago. It was really good, but curiosity got the better of me to try other things.
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2013, 07:18:37 AM »

White(silver) driver vs black driver ?
New pad vs old pad (http://sonove.angry.jp/HD650_Pad_effect.html) ?
Were the White(silver) driver AND new pad type introduced at the same time ?
Was the production change done in reaction to address the 'veil' that had been reported in their flagship a long time ago ?
Could pads being compressed slowly changing the sonic signature and account for differences perceived between different 'samples' ?
Circumstances under which was listened (mind set) when we 'remember' how a headphone sounded when we heard headphone W a while ago connected to X with music Y at location Z at a specific time of day ?
A spread in production materials used during the long time it has been manufactured ?

Can someone actually tell which sonic effect is caused by what aspect or a combination of them and in what extend/ratio ?
Maybe just accept that even the same model headphones (manufactured over many years) just don't sound the same and include personal preference as well to account for which 'version' person A and person B finds to be the best sounding.

Personal opinion: I have the 'old' (black with old pads) and did find it an excellent headphone, never heard the new an old side by side in the comfort of my own surroundings.
I sold my HD580 as well.
Don't listen to the HD650 anymore though.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 07:30:08 AM by Solderdude »
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2013, 05:18:04 PM »

Is Anetode's pair with black screen or silver? My own pair measures more similar to his in turns of FR, but mine has a black screen. Doesn't help that I had to replace the front cover, since the seller had lost them.

My pair's distortion measurements:


Silver. Sorry for the late reply.
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2013, 11:50:52 AM »

Truth to be told, I had a used HD600 (black acoustic screen) and bought a brand new HD650 2012. Sent the HD650 back after a few days because it basically sounded like the newer DT880, almost neutral bass and heavy focus on upper mids/treble.

All I wanted was a laid back HD600, what I received was a Beyer...
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2013, 01:18:06 PM »

The HD650 I acquired a few years ago was definitely not treble happy and had more of a lush, full sound. I'm not sure I'd call it dark however. It didn't seem that veiled either. Overall one of the better dynamic headphones I've owned.

Don't recall what type of screen it had.

Have the differences between the HD600 and HD650 lessened or widened over time?
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2013, 06:25:09 PM »

I'm not as good as the least qualified pirate here but:

-I like the black/silk screen hd600 and hd650 better; I think they sound more romantic in the bass and possibly a little more rolled off at the ends but I doubt it.  The silver screen versions to me sound more neutral but are less enjoyable.  I'm the same guy that chooses lcd-2r1 over r2.  My brain tells me the hd650/600 is not the last word in detail retrieval so who gives a shit if it's not dead nuts resolving at the ends.  These differences are ever so slight as well so it's not going to blow your mind either way.

-I can't say this for certain either but I once had both silver screened hd600 and h650 in my possession at the same time and found them more similar if not identical.  Maybe someone messed up at the factory.  I definitely can tell the difference in a blind test of the black screen hd600 and hd650.

-If I had to take only 1 based on sonic merits it would be black screen hd600, even over the 580 Jubilee (!).
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2013, 07:04:43 PM »

I don't doubt you. Having heard various HD600s/HD650s sound all over the place.
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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2013, 10:41:59 AM »

Greetings

First post here :) Not only acoustic screens changed, Senn also changed diaphragm material, see photos here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/197776/sennheiser-hd650-appreciation-thread/3990

,,For those of you who are curious, here are some pictures of the old 'black silk' version of the drivers and newer 'steel mesh' version.
New= thicker Duofol material with parts number printed on diaphragm.
Old= thinner, shinier, with a number stamped on to the center of the diaphragm''

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Re: HD650 Redux
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2013, 05:29:28 PM »

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