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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 05:15:12 AM »

Nope. I'm an idiot, had it the other way around: an S is a P + 75.



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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 05:52:02 AM »



I always wonder about Tyll's canalphone measurements. It always looks to me like he is using the HRTF for unblocked canals, when you actually need even more treble to sound "neutral" once your canals are blocked and the speaker is inside them (think of the occlusion effect whne you block your ears, I guess).

Not that I doubt their accuracy, I'm just wondering if he actually used the same HRTF, since he uses the same one for everything else.

The golden ears graph looks a lot closer to what I hear (with the exception that IMHO the etymotic has a bass deficiency - not in tonal balance, but it doesnt do too well with many kinds of bass that arent "round" for lack of a better word), and the difference between the two suggests a difference in the HRTF used.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 06:15:34 AM »

The golden ears graph looks a lot closer to what I hear (with the exception that IMHO the etymotic has a bass deficiency - not in tonal balance, but it doesnt do too well with many kinds of bass that arent "round" for lack of a better word), and the difference between the two suggests a difference in the HRTF used.
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The bass doesn't seem like it should be a problem but it sounds off. There's a good amount of detail there that's compromised by a kind of lack of impact. That's why I've been looking for a BA IEM with a bass boost for some time. Unfortunately so far I haven't found any that don't overdo it and boost into the mids.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 04:49:28 PM »

I should check to make sure compensation on this measurement was actually applied in the right amount. The boost at 2-3k does seem excessive to me and what I hear, although it's consistent with the HR graph. I do hear a peak at 8kHz though. I should post raw data too. Sooo much work.

I swear these sound very K701ish, at least tonally, not texturally.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 04:16:14 PM »

Hi all,

Frost tips and deep insertion (all the way 'till the cables touch your jawbone) solved my problems.
Now the P is bassy (!) and the S almost flat: can't spot peaks...
Learned a lot of stuff on the UDAUDA blog...
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 05:52:08 PM »

Hi all,

Frost tips and deep insertion (all the way 'till the cables touch your jawbone) solved my problems.
Now the P is bassy (!) and the S almost flat: can't spot peaks...
Learned a lot of stuff on the UDAUDA blog...


Yup, that's exactly how I heard the two as well w/ my insertion.  P was too bassy in an unrefined way and still had a sibilance peak that wouldn't go away for me.  I've been an 'S' man twice.   :-\
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 06:08:58 PM »

I found sibilance at 8k which became difficult after about 30 minutes. Did the deep insertion thing too. Although bass extension was generally OK, I found the bass slam lacking. EQ did wonders for these though and they are actually on my list to acquire.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 06:16:30 PM »

Triple flange silicones or foam?  I enjoyed my Klipsch oval bi flanges better I believe.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2012, 02:30:06 PM »

I never got any decent results with any of the boxed tripple-flanges. Neither the small translucent nor the big grey were decent in terms of isolation or SQ.
The Ety-Foams were nice but they don't last quite long.

I should mention that I use the HF-5...

Right now I run them with a 75ohm adapter cord on custom portable cmoy with a (rockboxed) sansa clip+ with any options on default (no EQ) but the +7db bassboost option (rockbox) which levels some lower mids and upper bass as well (or default crossfeed and +5db bass-boost)

But now to the interesting part. I cut off the first section of the tripple-flange and put this small part behind the rest to basically create a bi-flange.
Side-note: reverse the small part behind the bi-flange to give it some support -> better seal.

http://i.imgur.com/VqstJ.jpg

here a pic to clear things up a bit.
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Re: Etymotic ER-4S Measurements
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 03:11:58 PM »

I found sibilance at 8k which became difficult after about 30 minutes. Did the deep insertion thing too. Although bass extension was generally OK, I found the bass slam lacking. EQ did wonders for these though and they are actually on my list to acquire.

mmmh... weird... I don't hear that... But I can hear for sure the nasty 9k peak in the Creative Aurvana Live so I'm not "deaf" or insensible at those freq...
What I hear looks more or less like the golden ears graph...

Must check...
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