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Gojakla

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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2013, 10:17:18 AM »

Good morning to all....

Since i have recently heard Chris' external supply for ODac i have to admit that it is indeed a major improvement for the little dac...
What he wrote about the stereo image and the dynamics is absolutely true.
The little box transformed to something beyond value for money.
It sure stands up and faces Dacs of multiple value...

Chris i'm looking forward in hearing the salas soon....  headbang
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »

 ahoy Hi Antony!! good to see you here!! if nothing blows up :)p1, we got a lot of listening to do this weekend!! :money:
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2013, 11:56:35 AM »

ahoy Hi Antony!! good to see you here!! if nothing blows up :)p1, we got a lot of listening to do this weekend!! :money:

My to-do-list is very busy for this weekend Chris but we will meet for sure in the -very- near future!!!!   ahoy


Great work man...  headbang
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2013, 05:04:11 PM »

Well it all depends... you can do it very cheap but not as efficient... meaning build a LM317 supply yourself and add a cheap 50VA transformer, in any cheap case, canibalize an existing usb cable... this will be in the region of 40euros

If you want a nice case and Salas supply, high quality transormer, with "audiophile" capacitors, nice cable (Mogami), nice usb neutrik socket, ferrite rings all over, emi/rfi filter, etc it will be in the region of 150euro...

I have not heard the Salas version (if all goes well, i will have mine built in the weekend), but it is said that it makes a very audible improvement over simple supplies...

I have heard this in various Bufallo dacs... the best ones had Salas and massive transformers.

I do not know if galvanic isolation will improve things... this is also to be added to the cost should you wish to implement it as well.

The "cheaper" LM317 method is also universal i must add, because it does not take in account current and consumption so you can use it with any usb device, the Salas is only implemented for the specific circuit and it may not easily be used on another with other current/wattage as efficiently... this is  also something to take into consideration... 

I am very confident to say though, that in the budget dac arena this is something really good and it would be really worthwhile to give it a test, in this forum.

Very true...

Also reminds me of this...

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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2013, 05:20:46 PM »

Got the Salas supply to work today, after some small adventures... such is diy i guess...

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Although i am only at initial listening tests... compared to the simple lm317 regulation...

It seems that there is an increase in definition everywhere, an increase in bass extension and control, increase in stereo imaging width and depth.

Overall it is very worth it...

On the Salas construction i think it is not so easy... i got lots and lots of help from my diyer friends... so in case you are newbies try it if you have some support by someone more experienced.

I havnt completed it 100% final and i will give the values of components (to be used in a similar manner like my build)  if someone wishes to go for it...

Now for more listening...

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2013, 08:04:26 PM »

Very nice work! :money:
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2013, 09:21:42 PM »

Found this as well.

http://www.circuitsathome.com/adum4160-usb-isolator-assembly-guide

USB Isolator connected to Bitscope 310
Oscilloscope traces with and without isolation

thanks for that Anax!  i'm going to give this one a shot for my MF V-Link USB-SPDIF converter/BM DAC1.  i'll just get the Isolator Only kit and add a regulated PS.  the Salas shunt looks pretty interesting and smaller than a o11.

saving for the HD800 is getting harder.

edit: i just realized i have a 9V/5VA Amveco TX lying around waiting for a project  :)p1
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2013, 08:22:25 AM »

Thank you LFF!!

@fishki13 It will be interesting to see how the isolator performs. On the transformer i would like to suggest you go for a larger one.

I have tried with one like you say (on lm317) and the comparison with the 50VA toroidal was definitely audible.

This picture is with the first attempt with small trafo (9V/10VA) and lm317



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Next i went for large trafo and lm317



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And finally i went for the Salas shunt as shown in the previous post.

There were always differences to the better.

I am sorry i haven't made the component chart yet, and i haven't tested on ociloscope... when i have the time i will post the results.
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2013, 01:35:17 PM »

the V-Link max current draw from the USB bus is quoted at 160mA in the manual.  the Amveco 62021 i have is good for 278mA.  it has just enough headroom on paper.  maybe differences in TX VA is due to the design of the PS being used?

i have a o11 here powering a B1 buffer.  with a zener change, removing a resistor, and switching the TX, i can easily convert it to 5V.  for a total cost of $25 to see if it has any improvement, it seems like a no brainer to me.  implementing the isolator's on-board switch mode PS is counter productive.  adding another o11 and chassis wouldn't cost more than $80.

chris,
how are you wiring the host and peripheral 5V USB pins?  maybe we can take this to PM.
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Re: ODAC external supply
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2013, 04:06:22 PM »

PC side, signal +/- pass thru, Earth negative, red positive is cut...-

PSU-

ODAC side receives signal +/- pass thru, Earth from PC and PSU and positive ONLY from PSU

In other words USB negative/earth is common for all, positive power from PSU only going to ODAC, signal uncut passes thru.

You may want floating earth on psu side not common with Mains In, or you can try common ground... floating is best for isolation.

I am not familiar sorry, with o11 what is it?

The Transformers i like to use is larger than you want because they have electrical inertia and is less prone to mains fluctuation instability...

The ODAC power consumtion is 52mA as measured by a friend of mine, but i use large trafo, it is over engineering, i know... but i have heard the difference... in the three versions i built.

I think information on this matter is important to be public, since i do not know of any other site going into this kind of detail... (except my home forum avclub.gr but in Greek only)
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