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Author Topic: Sennheiser Orpheus HE90 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements  (Read 17789 times)

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As for DF, the ER4 uses it and the UERM/B2/DBA all seem to share the same basic DF signature.  Senn claimed to use DF in tuning the 800 and the curve looks similar to those other DF phones to me.  Maybe DF is supposed to yield a 'warm' sound but my experience w/ these phones has been anything but tbh.

The important part about DF vs FF vs whatever is all about where the peaks in the FR are, not just bright or dark.

From, the graphs, the HE90 gets those parts right and then essentially tilts the whole FR a little dark with one of those "see-saw" sort of tone controls.

The HD800's FR is just too screwed up to pass as anything recognizable.  It could be DF with a mid-bass boost if the treble started dropping off after 4khz or so but depending on your method of normalization it either has a peak there or the plateau extends too far.

You can compare the HATS' HRTFs to the raw measurements.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/0/07/0717c032_HeadAcousticsHRTFflip.png

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD800.pdf

Tyll uses ID but the HD800 has too much between about 4 and 8khz for any of them.
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DF doesn't imply a midbass boost at all. DF usually tend to keep the midbass to low-bass flat while slowly diving down to the sub-bass. FF is suppose to emulate speakers in a dead room so basically there would be slight 2db increase around 100hz to try to add weight to the kick and from around 50hz and under have slight boost to allow the headphone to give that sensational rumble from the lower octave(s). biggest difference between DF and FF is response past 10khz. lot DF headphones will have slight couple db dip at 10khz and rise around with tad peak from 14khz till around 18khz and take dive around 20khz so the headphone will provide that ''airy'' sound.

FF tends to peak 10khz a db or so and doesn't exhibit that much of a peak from 14khz and above so it will not be too airy and so forth. usually free-field tries to stay flat or takes little dip or peak here and there after 10khz.

sennheiser used DF but there own method. like how stax still believes in FF but their own method. there is only a couple headphones that followed a specific standard for studio use when it came to FF or DF use. for the he90 i can't say.
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That must have been a good moment.  I would like to confront Beyer's "engineers" with a pair of empty T1 cups.  There are a number of people in the ortho thread, and on this forum that would have made a much better headphone given their resources.

This is Beyer after all, they discontinued the ET-1000 because it was too expensive to make and said the DT880 was "just as good".  Certainly better for their profit margin though... 

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DF doesn't imply a midbass boost at all. DF usually tend to keep the midbass to low-bass flat while slowly diving down to the sub-bass. FF is suppose to emulate speakers in a dead room so basically there would be slight 2db increase around 100hz to try to add weight to the kick and from around 50hz and under have slight boost to allow the headphone to give that sensational rumble from the lower octave(s). biggest difference between DF and FF is response past 10khz. lot DF headphones will have slight couple db dip at 10khz and rise around with tad peak from 14khz till around 18khz and take dive around 20khz so the headphone will provide that ''airy'' sound.

FF tends to peak 10khz a db or so and doesn't exhibit that much of a peak from 14khz and above so it will not be too airy and so forth. usually free-field tries to stay flat or takes little dip or peak here and there after 10khz.

sennheiser used DF but there own method. like how stax still believes in FF but their own method. there is only a couple headphones that followed a specific standard for studio use when it came to FF or DF use. for the he90 i can't say.


This, just had a glance to compare my Senn chart to Max's and it says DF right on it.  Forgot where I had seeen it.   :)p2
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I don't understand how Sennheiser can tune a driver this perfectly and then turn around and tune the HD800 the way it's tuned.
The HD800 is the most technically beautiful headphone I've ever seen, so why did they ruin the neutrality by tuning it like like there's a hard shelf EQ boosting all the high frequencies by 3dB?  Sennheiser obviously knows what they're doing, and the HE90 proves it.
Perhaps those who tuned the drivers had HF hearing loss and compensated for it.  :-\

There are, of course, arguments that they tuned it to a certain psychoacoustic curve, but perhaps they chose poorly.  It sounds just like the uncompensated frequency curve.  Maybe we don't understand how headphone drivers should be tuned yet.
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Simply different design goals.  If you listen to extremely well recorded music w/ proper gear that isn't anemic or inherently bright it's quite fine tbh. 
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Just chipping in; you will find that the direction from which a sound is coming is of less significance the longer the wavelength (for speed v, the lower the frequency). In other words; the low and even midbass should be about flat for any reasonable equalisation curve, possibly with the exception of paying upwards to your crotch from between your knees. Similarly, this means that treble is much more affected by where the sound is coming from, because of the shorter wavelength.

Actually the HE90 is much closer to DF.  Here's an old Headroom graph of the HE90 and they normalize to DF.

While emailing Tyll my suggestions for improving his measurements (including several compensations being one of them) he told me that he actually uses ID.

ID looks pretty similar to DF though
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 01:05:47 PM by ihasmario »
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Don't Tyll and HeadRoom use different compensation?
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I thought part of the deal when Tyll left Headroom was that he'd still provide their graphs - it would be odd if he offered different compensation for their graphs than his.

I also hope he's compensated for offering that service.
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I thought part of the deal when Tyll left Headroom was that he'd still provide their graphs - it would be odd if he offered different compensation for their graphs than his.

I also hope he's compensated for offering that service.

It certainly looks like the perceived hearing compensations between his InnerFidelity graphs and the Headroom graphs are very different though, it would make sense if you think about it. He wants the Headroom graphs to emphasize more distinct FR features of different headphones so potential customers, even those with minimal understanding of audio measurements, could discern something. Also a much greater degree of FR curve smoothing is imposed on the Headroom graphs, for the same purpose I'd think.

If this assumption is true, then the IF graphs are more accurate.
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