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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 02:55:24 PM »

Audiowood opened these up: http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/2790#post_9006193

They have, like, dampening and shit.
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2013, 05:49:19 AM »

Probably totally inaudible if you are older than 18.

Ouch, I just checked and it seems I can only hear up to about 15KHz..
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2013, 05:00:19 PM »

Reviving this thread again since I'm jumping back and forth between here and HF, and I'll likely get some more brutally honest opinions about amplification here on the TH900s vs conjecture and hypotheses over there.

Finally got my PWDII back and hooked up to the X-CAN V3 that I was previously connecting directly to PC to burn in the TH900s a bit. Things definitely opened up a lot more, a bit more detail & spatial (ie. sounds more opened up than closed in) portrayal and further dialing in on top and bottom end extension at the frequency extremes. Glad to have my PWDII back (2.02 firmware).

I do get the sense that the X-CAN V3 (with X-PSU V3) is providing a more "bloated" picture, and hence making some types of music sound more "slower" than it should be, namely with electronic music. It's also a darker sounding amp with its tube stage in the circuit.

So, looking at some sub $1K options to essentially drive these headphones. May stretch a little over if need be but wondering what have you guys actually LISTENED to which gives me a little more neutrality than what I have via the amps. Of course, I'm well aware that the TH900s are colored so no need to emphasize this point. I believe that the colored nature of the headphones themselves is what I want to preserve. I just need something on the amplification side which doesn't further color the headphone's signature.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2013, 05:21:35 PM »

If you want more neutrality, I'd EQ them.  No change in amplification is going to have as large a difference in colored/neutral as its so darn boosted in the low end. 
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2013, 05:39:47 PM »

If you want more neutrality, I'd EQ them.  No change in amplification is going to have as large a difference in colored/neutral as its so darn boosted in the low end.

Thanks for the tip, Tari. Guess what I'm asking for is about changing the subtle shade of grey to be lighter than darker.  :-\

I've read purrin's review on this. EQ is an option but something I'd rather not fiddle with if I'm playing CDs through a transport directly into the PWDII as well. Not sure about PWD filter options, which I haven't played around with yet.

Also, some of my music listening will be through streaming services, such as MOG. Are there any EQ applications which sit between the streaming app and the output?
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2013, 04:37:23 PM »

Could anyone share some thoughts on the 'impact' on the by comparison to other cans? Because i have been sitting swapping between a T1, HD800, LCD2r2 and a SA5000, and I realized namely the T1 barely has any impact, the Hd800 and the Sony are pretty decent on this front and the impact of the Audeze seems about the same but sort of drowns in its dark and by comparison somewhat muffled sound signature.
I noticed at a meet a bit ago that the Hifiman He-4, I beleive, has some incredible impact compared to most things I've heard (pretty much everything except rarities like R10 etc.). As far is I can tell its purely a matter of how much air the drivers are moving to reproduce a given frequency at a given volume.
I am curious how the th900 does in this regard and if anyone has suggestions of other reference cans with good impact, feel free to chime in please  p;)
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2014, 06:46:58 AM »

Need to try figure out my ears some time. Using sinegen, I hear treble peaks pretty much at 5KHz and 10KHz. Doesn't quite match FR graphs from anywhere I have searched. Anyone else?

http://en.goldenears.net/17034
www.innerfidelity.com/images/FostexTH900.pdf
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/fostex-th-900/
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 09:18:40 AM by namaiki »
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2014, 06:10:55 PM »

Need to try figure out my ears some time. Using sinegen, I hear treble peaks pretty much at 5KHz and 10KHz. Doesn't quite match FR graphs from anywhere I have searched. Anyone else?

http://en.goldenears.net/17034
www.innerfidelity.com/images/FostexTH900.pdf
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/fostex-th-900/

How so?  Most of those show peaks close enough 5k and 10k.  The Russian one is just over smoothed.  It's not unusual to see a discrepancy of around 500hz-1k between various rigs and calibrations.  Don't expect electron microscope or even caliper level of precision with these graphs.

As always, it's the relative analysis with context that matters, not static absolutes.
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2014, 06:22:38 PM »

Need to try figure out my ears some time. Using sinegen, I hear treble peaks pretty much at 5KHz and 10KHz. Doesn't quite match FR graphs from anywhere I have searched. Anyone else?
The 5 KHz peak seems to appear in measurements that use a simulated ear. There's always a narrow peak between 9-10 KHz with any headphones for me, it's due to my ear.
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Re: Fostex TH900 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2014, 08:46:40 PM »

Need to try figure out my ears some time. Using sinegen, I hear treble peaks pretty much at 5KHz and 10KHz. Doesn't quite match FR graphs from anywhere I have searched. Anyone else?

http://en.goldenears.net/17034
www.innerfidelity.com/images/FostexTH900.pdf
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/fostex-th-900/

CSDs are a better way to confirm treble peaks. Look at GE's CSD graph. See the ridges at 6-7k and at 12k? Exists on both of our CSDs. Note GE's CSD plots are smoothed to hell.

I've never found singen and tone sweeps reliable. Mainly because they won't necessarily pick up sharp high Q peaks and our ears have variable frequency response based on volume. 1/3 octave noise works better IMO.
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