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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 12:16:14 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2013, 06:34:20 PM »
Quote from: Lumos on October 30, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
Hmm... I have always wondered how bad (or not) is this recession of upper mid-range- treble on orthodynamics. I like articulate sound, like to hear stings as they are in real life, and have air and definition of cymbals (10KHz peak is not compensation, plus it adds sibilance to female vocals and this is very very odd thing for me)

I know bass is better, better extension and low distortion, Chello, double bass, Bassoon would be great, but I am not sure of other things...   

One day I will try them  :)p8 :)p4

The midrange dip like that mostly affects female vocals and piano, especially audible in symphonic or jazz pieces. The 3k dip will hit electric guitars mostly, maybe complex high strings. Yes, 10k peak can sound sibilant if excessive.

This looks much like LCD v2.1; or v3 with increased membrane tension. See LCD v2.1 #2; or LCD v3 #3 and shift resonant freqs up.
Based on this and having heard a good LCD v2.1, I'd say too expensive.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2013, 02:04:56 AM »
With the exception that there is now a more evident peak at 8kHz. This is noticeable.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2013, 05:42:37 AM »
Well, got to hear the LCD-X at the meet, didn't like'em...

Frequency Response



CSD right



CSD left



For some reason these measured with a bit of a roll off in the bass (both channels), unlike the similarly constructed and measured LCD-2... Dunno. I think someone commented they sounded a little lean relative to the LCD-2s... meet impressions/measurements. Seems something weird is going on between 8 and 10 kHz, and a resulting peak at 8 kHz as Marv pointed out. Here is a comparo with the LDC-2 (blue) at the meet (right channel):



I also think the LCD-2s have very nice looking cups, and feel the LCD-X are a step back in the cup aesthetic department (YMMV, IMHO, YMMVAPD, LOLS, XYZ, WTF, ETC).
« Last Edit: November 06, 2013, 05:56:47 AM by ultrabike »
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2013, 05:55:39 AM »
^ That is the same pair I have BTW. I think the coupler surface I use seals better. As for why Craig's LCD2.2 had better bass response, it's possible the older driver was better damped / lower Q, thus more immune to the effects of seal.

Ultrabike's rig same LCD-X (no smoothing) - copied from above


Here's the same LCD-X measured on my rig - this time smoothed 1/24 octave instead of 1/6.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 06:01:12 AM »
Pretty close 100Hz and up. Will eventually move up to a better coupler. :)p7
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 06:02:44 AM »
Very close yeah in terms of measurements. I would agree with you that Craig's LCD-2.2 (from the 445 at the SD meet) destroyed this particular LCD-X in terms of sound quality.

His LCD2.2 measurement re-posted here:


Interesting tidbits:
  • Craig's LCD2.2 has smoother mids to upper mids
  • Slightly less initial rolloff than LCD-X. LCD-X has a steeper deep at ~ 3kHz
  • Peak is broader and higher up in frequency than LCD-X. LCD-X has a sharper narrow peak at 8kHz
« Last Edit: November 06, 2013, 06:16:50 AM by purrin »
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2013, 11:47:51 PM »
For the sake of completeness, here is the Audeze supplied graph for this pair.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2013, 11:59:37 PM »
They do look surprisingly similar.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements Only
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2013, 09:31:15 PM »
Single channel measurement? Ha, they're hiding something.
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