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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2013, 07:46:06 PM »

Maybe 'twas the Buffalo then.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2013, 04:28:04 AM »

Some results with  ohhgourami's HE-6s + Krell amplifier. No smoothing was applied.

Frequency Response. The blue trace is right channel with L-network used to make the a volume control less sensitive. Red (right) and green (left) are with out the resistors directly driven by the amp.



CSD right



CSD left



These particular measurements show a bit of ringing in the 3 to 4 kHz area. Same 10 kHz peak as with the unit Marv measured. From my short listening time with them, I feel the Krell and the HE-6 had a nice synergy going on.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2013, 05:49:44 AM »

That's a funny little bump on the left channel at 3-4 kHz... I remember ohhgourami was suspecting there was a channel imbalance in his headphones somewhere. Maybe this is what he was hearing.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2013, 06:09:17 AM »

Yes. He mentioned that to me too. We did the measurement a couple of times and they came out fairly consistent.

I liked his setup quite a bit though. I liked the balance. With the music playing I didn't feel this set up was bright... just a tad perhaps but very enjoyable.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2013, 06:18:03 AM »

With your measurement the 10kHz hill does look pretty prominent (much more-so than Marv's plots). I guess that's the source of the brightness.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2013, 06:23:47 AM »

Yes, possible. Not Beyer or Grado levels though.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2014, 08:23:29 PM »

My by ear measurement of my fresh new pair, nearly match both yours and even closer, Purrin's.
Slightly lower in all resonant frequencies. Superb consistency in the line at the very least. In fact, it's possible my pair is better than either one measured here. This is with Lynx Hilo, needs every ounce of power to run HE-6, crossfeed and the eq and have 6 dB digital control headroom. (I like my digital volume control on the PC.)

Those headphones leave modded HE-500 way in the dust and finally are something that can compete with RE series of IEMs in terms of general quality.
(FR notwithstanding, even in case of RE-600, which sounds smoothly lowpassed - HE-6 are clearly superior there. Only my modded RE-400 can compete - yet lose.)

These are the first headphones I can say have correct air rendition. Though they are a tinge bright and the mids cut puts the presentation less forward and defined than ultimately possible, narrowing the center of the soundstage.

(In fact, correct in everything, inaudible distortion, correct decay everywhere - I'd have to compare against Audeze LCD-3, that might be competition. I don't have direct comparison on my hand, but from what I remember about Stax SR-007s, they lose against this due to bass. From memory, LCD-2 rev 1 pair I heard lose unequalized, but otherwise could be comparable.)
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2014, 09:49:31 PM »

Cue additional precision equalizing. I've spotted a slightly brighter part of the spectrum. Now it's actually perfect, as in within 0.5 dB of flat.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2014, 11:58:44 PM »

Bass thickness. It's not thick at all in the bass. I can hear a tiny bit of pad resonance, which should be fixable. I'd say reduced Jergpad mod, limited to pads only. Has to be carefully done so as not to conserve pad thickness - perhaps adding more foam to the inside of the pads.
Staxen actually have broken bass - large subbass cut - so I wouldn't compare to these. HD800 bass is inferior. Audeze bass may be superior, I'm not sure, but there definitely was less resonance.

Air - accurate equalization makes it perfect. HD800 sounds airier out of the box because it has smoother air - no dips - though it needs a flat cut. It also has a minor boost somewhere around those frequencies.
Seems like Hifiman made a tradeoff there in order to make manufacturing possible - and used a quarter-circle to dampen the front grillle reflection.
Said bit of foam also causes the 3k dip and it doesn't fully attenuate the 9k/12k resonances between face and grille. A better design is possible there - the correct material would be a much more tortuous with slightly larger pore size, attached to the grille in strips to not cover direct airflow. I'm not sure which material has such curly pores which are also large. Likely some kind of very loose fabric, I'd say low density blown PET absorber = low density multilayer microfibre cloth.
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Re: HE6 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2014, 12:23:44 AM »

Only my modded RE-400...
OT: What did you do to them?, I have a busted pair of RE-ZERO and I don't think I can save the enclosure if I open them again (superglued it when the original adhesive expired), do you think I can make use of the drivers?
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