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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #300 on: September 26, 2015, 04:35:59 PM »

Ignore Thad, he's a harmless ex-hippie  :D
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #301 on: September 26, 2015, 06:41:36 PM »

If those arguments are based on hatred and bigotry, then yes. Repressing dissent in that case would mean taking a stance against hatred and bigotry, which is fairly well-reasoned conventional wisdom in every social environment.

The problem I have with this is: who gets to define an opinion as hatred and bigotry? In the current version of US progressive conventional wisdom anyone opposing same sex marriage or illegal immigration is called a hater and a bigot.

In other countries people supporting these policies are labeled as traitors and charged with supporting child abuse.   
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #302 on: September 26, 2015, 06:45:25 PM »

The problem I have with this is: who gets to define an opinion as hatred and bigotry? In the current version of US progressive conventional wisdom anyone opposing same sex marriage or illegal immigration is called a hater and a bigot.

In other countries people supporting these policies are labeled as traitors and charged with supporting child abuse.   


I assume the admins would be the ones to decide with all their wisdom and all.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #303 on: September 26, 2015, 07:17:00 PM »

As someone who comes from the heavy metal world, stop being fucking children. The Aris fighting game thing was hilarious. So he's a fat horny nerd with no idea how to talk to women in a room of nerds? Have you ever heard anyone trash talk in the park over a chess game? Same thing. The most hilarious are the idiots who want to censor metal. It's a music genre founded by nerds spazzing out on guitar; evil rage filled guitar geeks. Maybe trying neuter a culture founded on being evil bastards into liberal political correctness isn't the best idea? Even the old school metal guys who were vaguely leftist were out there; Carcass had a "Humans are meat too!" philosophy with lyrics about well "Exhume to Consume" and "Vomited Anal Tract." Then you guys who hang out at the library and wear Seinfeld pirate shirts coexisting with skinheads shrieking about nature, transcendence, and "Flogging the Cargo." Is anyone surprised that a woman who tried to steal beer from the band at a metal show got punched in the face?

I would hate for Changstar to lose its brusque honest nature due to making white knighting, man baby, social justice warriors cry. The Headphone flowchart thread was one of the reasons I stopped lurking and joined the site. Sometimes a off color joke is what you need. Saying "Gaudy aesthetics of the Chinese nouveau riche" is not the bullet to the back of the skull adjective that "Ching chong" is.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #304 on: September 26, 2015, 07:21:41 PM »

The problem I have with this is: who gets to define an opinion as hatred and bigotry? In the current version of US progressive conventional wisdom anyone opposing same sex marriage or illegal immigration is called a hater and a bigot.

In other countries people supporting these policies are labeled as traitors and charged with supporting child abuse.   



What does the issue of same-sex marriage have to do with audio? All of this talk of freedom and liberty and you want to shove your nose in the business of sexual choice, here amongst headphone-enthusiasts? Since you want a definition of hatred, allow me to ask what you mean by liberty? Liberty for whom? It is quite clear that none of this is relevant anyways.

Edit: I forgot to add that most of those countries you mentioned which feel the need to curtail private matters of sexual orientation in your final statement are well known for having less freedom and liberty than others. This would not apply to most European countries, for instance. To publicly proclaim queerness so that all can hear and recognize it, this signposting, seems as irrational/annoying as privately invading the domestic space of the bedroom to establish sexual regulations. Again, I am not sure what any of this has to do with audio. Where I agree with several posters is that throwing words around like ghey in relation to bad gear should probably not cause as much offense as it does with some people. What is absurd is when doing so pivots the discussion into a hotbed of political debate irresolvable on an audio forum. It might make sense for there to be a place for those tangents in a seperate location just as the Audio Science forum is set off from other threads on head-fi, as much as it pains me to draw inspiration from the competing site.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #305 on: September 26, 2015, 07:32:42 PM »


What does the issue of same-sex marriage have to do with audio? All of this talk of freedom and liberty and you want to limit freedom, here amongst headphone-enthusiasts? Since you want a definition of hatred, allow me to ask what you mean by liberty? Liberty for whom? It is quite clear that none of this is relevant anyways.
Free speech should be free. The right has the same rights as the left.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #306 on: September 26, 2015, 08:39:33 PM »

Well this discussion has certainly went way off topic.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #307 on: September 26, 2015, 08:46:26 PM »

Free speech should be free. The right has the same rights as the left.

What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah you can say whatever you want in your own home. You can say what you want to say on the corner of the street. You can write it in a book and try to get it published. You have the right to do all kinds of shit with your opinions. You do NOT however have the right to express your opinion NO MATTER the setting. For example if you're employed by a company as a flight stewardess, you do NOT have the right to express your opinion about african-americans/jews/mexicans/arabs/whatever being subhuman in front of the passengers during the flight. You do NOT have the right to rant about same-sex marriage. If you do, your employer has EVERY right to sanction or fire you. The same thing applies to an internet forum set up and paid for by a private individual. He puts in the work and money, its his place, he sets the rules. This is a forum for audio conversation. If the owner of the site does not want you to talk about politics he has EVERY right to ban you from his private site. Hell if he wants to run a site where you're only allowed to be supportive of same-sex marriage he's allowed to have it his way. What the fuck do you kind of people not understand about that simple concept? If I let you into my house I have EVERY right to throw you out of my house if I dont like what you're doing, no matter if you have the constitutional right to do it. Hell if I dont like the color of your shoes I have every right to throw you out of my house based on that triviality. This DOES NOT infringe on your right to wear whatever colored shoes you like - just not in every setting.

My god I swear, every single fucking time a company censors an employee for ranting stupid right-wing shit (thats usually what it is, other instances surely exist) all the retards come out of the woodwork screaming 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' - Morons, freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. A few months ago the UFC fighter Yoel Romero won his fight and used his post-fight interview time to rant about gay marriage and JEEEEEEEEEESUS. After that the UFC told him not to do that kind of shit again. They pay his salary, they pay for the airtime, and they want him to represent the company in a certain way. They have EVERY right to instruct him how to behave as an employee on the airtime they have paid for. Masses of right-wingers took the opportunity to air their grievances about 'political correctness' and 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!!!'; issues they didnt understand the first thing about.

Hell if I go into some stinking bar in Bumfuck, Alabama and start ranting about how god is not real, private citizens shouldnt own fucking armories and how Donald Trump may just not be the ideal candidate for president, I would fully expect to be shown the door by some inbred barowner. And he would have every right to set the rules of speech in his private business.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #308 on: September 26, 2015, 09:07:56 PM »

What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah you can say whatever you want in your own home. You can say what you want to say on the corner of the street. You can write it in a book and try to get it published. You have the right to do all kinds of shit with your opinions. You do NOT however have the right to express your opinion NO MATTER the setting. For example if you're employed by a company as a flight stewardess, you do NOT have the right to express your opinion about african-americans/jews/mexicans/arabs/whatever being subhuman in front of the passengers during the flight. You do NOT have the right to rant about same-sex marriage. If you do, your employer has EVERY right to sanction or fire you. The same thing applies to an internet forum set up and paid for by a private individual. He puts in the work and money, its his place, he sets the rules. This is a forum for audio conversation. If the owner of the site does not want you to talk about politics he has EVERY right to ban you from his private site. Hell if he wants to run a site where you're only allowed to be supportive of same-sex marriage he's allowed to have it his way. What the fuck do you kind of people not understand about that simple concept? If I let you into my house I have EVERY right to throw you out of my house if I dont like what you're doing, no matter if you have the constitutional right to do it. Hell if I dont like the color of your shoes I have every right to throw you out of my house based on that triviality. This DOES NOT infringe on your right to wear whatever colored shoes you like - just not in every setting.

My god I swear, every single fucking time a company censors an employee for ranting stupid right-wing shit (thats usually what it is, other instances surely exist) all the retards come out of the woodwork screaming 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' - Morons, freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. A few months ago the UFC fighter Yoel Romero won his fight and used his post-fight interview time to rant about gay marriage and JEEEEEEEEEESUS. After that the UFC told him not to do that kind of shit again. They pay his salary, they pay for the airtime, and they want him to represent the company in a certain way. They have EVERY right to instruct him how to behave as an employee on the airtime they have paid for. Masses of right-wingers took the opportunity to air their grievances about 'political correctness' and 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!!!'; issues they didnt understand the first thing about.

Hell if I go into some stinking bar in Bumfuck, Alabama and start ranting about how god is not real, private citizens shouldnt own fucking armories and how Donald Trump may just not be the ideal candidate for president, I would fully expect to be shown the door by some inbred barowner. And he would have every right to set the rules of speech in his private business.
Well no shit Sherlock. You have the right to say whatever you want. If you shout out that Africans are subhuman, you have the legal right to do so. Employers can fire at-will employees instantly for any reason. It's their right by the contract. If Yoel Romero wants to go on some "EAT THE POO POO" rant, you can't stop him. They can turn off the camera, fire him, and remove him from their private property but they can't stop or physically punish him from saying or publishing it . What are the UFC going to do? Cut his tongue out for blasphemy against the liberal creed like Saudi Arabia crucifies Shiite theologians? You can say what you want as he can say what he wants as long he doesn't threaten physical harm or incite others to do so. If the Fertitta brothers and Dana White w ant him to go for any reason and he's an at-will employee, it's their business.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #309 on: September 26, 2015, 09:17:37 PM »

  :-0

This is starting to look like the comments sections of every news site on the internet................. :vomit:
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