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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #280 on: September 26, 2015, 03:44:40 AM »

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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #281 on: September 26, 2015, 03:49:15 AM »

He will, oh, how he will.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #282 on: September 26, 2015, 03:54:26 AM »

He will, oh, how he will.

I hope he will play some Bartok, Zappa and Liquid Tension Experiment among others. That would be pleasant.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #283 on: September 26, 2015, 03:59:53 AM »

I hope he will play some Bartok, Zappa and Liquid Tension Experiment among others. That would be pleasant.

Oh you can bet I will =) Love them!
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #284 on: September 26, 2015, 04:03:19 AM »

And yes, hatred should be silenced, either through moderation or the people who express it should be told to fuck off. Just putting it in the TOS that there's no bigotry due to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., would solve a lot of problems.

How do you define hatred? Labeling certain opinions as "hatred" or "bigotry" in order to silence the people holding those opinions can be a problem.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #285 on: September 26, 2015, 04:13:10 AM »

It's pretty important that we don't make people who are here for the audio feel unwelcome due to hatred. Hatred politely expressed is still hatred. People often confuse tone for genuine civility.

And yes, hatred should be silenced, either through moderation or the people who express it should be told to fuck off. Just putting it in the TOS that there's no bigotry due to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., would solve a lot of problems. The political stuff aside from that can get moderated if it flares up too much and it'll cease to be a problem.

I'm proposing a compromise in which both sides walk away from all political discussion. You're insisting that we should be allowed to have only some sorts of political discussions, but other sorts must be censored because they happen to offend you. No Politics is No Politics. Not Kunlun gets to celebrate homosexuality, but Claritas gets told to fuck off for considering homosexuality suboptimal because "Hatred!" That's no compromise at all.

Alternatively, we can have a No Politics rule; and also have a special subforum for politics and the like to discuss any issue so long as everyone keeps it civil. Maybe we can eat our cake and have it too.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #286 on: September 26, 2015, 04:26:36 AM »

I'm proposing a compromise in which both sides walk away from all political discussion. You're insisting that we should be allowed to have only some sorts of political discussions, but other sorts must be censored because they happen to offend you. No Politics is No Politics. Not Kunlun gets to celebrate homosexuality, but Claritas gets told to fuck off for considering homosexuality suboptimal because "Hatred!" That's no compromise at all.

Alternatively, we can have a No Politics rule; and also have a special subforum for politics and the like to discuss any issue so long as everyone keeps it civil. Maybe we can eat our cake and have it too.

I mentioned drinking a fresh coffee and said "Cheers!" and that was enough to provoke one person.

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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #287 on: September 26, 2015, 04:54:36 AM »

How do you define hatred? Labeling certain opinions as "hatred" or "bigotry" in order to silence the people holding those opinions can be a problem.


Yeah, but that's kind of the very reason that we label certain hateful and bigoted opinions as they are.

Regardless, there's no thought police, whatever prejudices one holds are one's own. Just don't use them as an excuse for harassment.

On the other hand I don't see pirates becoming soft on bad gear or bad designers any time soon. For instance, I think Empirical Audio is a crock and Nugent is inventing solutions to problems which don't matter. I'm not going to imply things about Nugent's mother's promiscuity, but I sure as hell would call him out on his work.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #288 on: September 26, 2015, 04:56:44 AM »

You guys are overthinking things right now.

Marv and team have been talking about rules for the new forum and refining them. Right now, we will launch with a small set that are clear, simple, and useful. These are not commandments from on high engraved on tablets of stone. As new rules are necessary, they will be drafted, vetted by the team, and communicated clearly to the community. New rules will NOT be added frivolously.

One thing I've learned launching a lot of products: if you over-engineer the rules that will keep your product/business going after launch, you WILL have to go back and rip it all out to address your actual needs once you see how things work in practice. It's better to create flexible, simple infrastructure and build on it once you're up and running.
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Re: Future of Changstar / Keeping it Going / GOFUNDME!
« Reply #289 on: September 26, 2015, 05:09:46 AM »

If a gay member of the forum decides to get married and makes a public announcement about it, please don't use that as an excuse to grumble.

If there's a No Politics rule and the person adheres to it in his announcement, I'll congratulate him as I would anyone else I know. Don't worry about it.
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