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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2015, 03:13:50 PM »


At my last meet I went to, I thought that the Audio Zenith PMx2 and Rag paired really very well together. The Rag added a bit of the excitement and incisiveness that the PMx2 was missing off of nearly every other amp I tried it on. Obviously, it wasn't some sort of magical panacea or cure-all but it helped enough that the benefits of the PMx2 (tonal balance, those amazeballs comfortable custom pads) could really show through.

Hm, I could see that working well. I should have spent more time with the PMx2 on the Rag. Just didn't have enough time to get through absolutely everything! Might have if Anax wasn't so dead set on doing well on the DAC blind test. :P

By the way, sorry to interrupt. People just love to hate on Anax in the comments section there do they LOL

Yeah, perhaps they have an axe to grind, perhaps they're angry someone might actually pass a DAC blind test on "objectively transparent and neutral" DACs when they, the angry commenters, would be unable to...I don't know. I get it...you need something like 40 data points to be truly statistically significant, but having been there with Anax and doing some blind testing myself, it was pretty obvious Anax was CLEARLY hearing differences. Then you have the commenters on the next guy who went to Tyll's, ab_ba, discussing how they'd much rather listen to him and that guys like Anax, me, and Katz come across as incoherent or something (something about the more you think you know, the less you actually know? Right...). I think it was Marv that termed that the appeal to non-authority? Anyway, ab_ba seems like a fine gentleman himself, but you can't please all the guys in the stand throwing rocks and  popcorn . Best to just shrug it off and go about your life happily.

To me it was. Definitely the thinnest sounding Ether I recall hearing compared to other units at Canjam or the Schiitshow.

This is important to note. Anax made a mention of this multiple times over the weekend that it was the thinnest and, IIRC, most disappointing Ether he had heard. This is the only Ether I've heard, so I don't have anything to compare it to.
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2015, 04:45:50 PM »

Man, look at those IF comments go.  You guys are popular.  :money:

I enjoyed the video.  Don't give a rats ass about faces as long as the info is well presented.
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2015, 04:58:04 PM »

On differences between Anax HD800 vs Tyll HD800 (when in stock config)... where the cables the same or did Tyll have Cardas cables?
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2015, 04:59:51 PM »

On differences between Anax HD800 vs Tyll HD800 (when in stock config)... where the cables the same or did Tyll have Cardas cables?

Nordost Heimdall 2 on his. I sampled them on my headphone as well. Tyll's HD800 was pretty much set in his modded state. The only stock HD800 was mine when I removed the mods for an hour to get some baseline measurements on my unit.
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2015, 12:06:08 PM »

I just read the HE1000 review on Headphone Guru.
http://headphone.guru/hifimans-he1000-part-3-of-3-listening-impressions/

Looks like that guy "Frank Iacone" likes to cosy up at  dinner parties with Mr. Fang and his wife.
Frank's review is just a little bound to be biased!  :spank:

Quote:
"The HE1000 gives me everything I desire in a reference headphone and is a product that always delivers the highest level of performance The HE1000 has earned our prestigious Headphone.Guru Writers Award for 2015."

YEAH sure. … more wine darling?

I personally think his claim as a headphone guru and his website is one of the biggest disservices to the headphone industry. He primarily uses his personal connections to get free/discounted gear and writes flowery positive poetry on said gear. The majority of reviews on his website are pretty worthless and not accurate to my own listening experiences (no offense to some of the good reviewers working there).


Hm, I could see that working well. I should have spent more time with the PMx2 on the Rag. Just didn't have enough time to get through absolutely everything! Might have if Anax wasn't so dead set on doing well on the DAC blind test. :P


Yeah, perhaps they have an axe to grind, perhaps they're angry someone might actually pass a DAC blind test on "objectively transparent and neutral" DACs when they, the angry commenters, would be unable to...I don't know. I get it...you need something like 40 data points to be truly statistically significant, but having been there with Anax and doing some blind testing myself, it was pretty obvious Anax was CLEARLY hearing differences. Then you have the commenters on the next guy who went to Tyll's, ab_ba, discussing how they'd much rather listen to him and that guys like Anax, me, and Katz come across as incoherent or something (something about the more you think you know, the less you actually know? Right...). I think it was Marv that termed that the appeal to non-authority? Anyway, ab_ba seems like a fine gentleman himself, but you can't please all the guys in the stand throwing rocks and  popcorn . Best to just shrug it off and go about your life happily.

I think the key missing message that really wasn't highlighted very well at all for those who have experience with clinical studies and statistics was regardless of the blind test results, the sample size is simply not large enough and the results weren't positive enough to make any real conclusions either way based on that one test. Placing too much emphasis on those results for either conclusion is detrimental IMO. Really the conclusion should just be that there needs to be more data point s to draw any meaningful conclusions.

So that doesn't mean that he did not hear differences or that differences is impossible to reliably identify. I think that more testing (set-up with one a few trials but spread out over multiple days or with built in breaks) needs to be done to allowed to control for 'listener fatigue.' Also, there needs to be some sort of control in the design where there is the possibility that the same dac played back both times to see that sort of correct identification occurs there as well.

What I think people want to know from a blind ABx type experiment is how likely is someone to hear differences between the set-ups. The reason for doing the test blinded is that we are afraid that people's minds may play tricks on them and hear differences when there aren't any due to sighted biases. Then we also have to see how likely it is for the brain to hear differences when there are no differences in the set-up, so there needs to also be some sort of Same-Same test included to show that the tester can correctly ID when nothing has changed.

just my thoughts. hopefully no offense is taken
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2015, 03:19:58 PM »

I think it would have been great to gather more data points over a few days. Unfortunately, we only had two days and more to cover beyond just blind testing amps and DACs. We had to settle for what we could. The test where it's the same DAC on both inputs would also be a great test to have. It's not something I'd be able to arrange myself, but maybe some of the Pyrates in California could figure something out?

Even then, I'm still not TOO concerned about blind testing. It's fascinating, really, but so long as myself or someone else is crazy enough to think they're hearing subjective differences between products, I really couldn't care less. Whatever floats your boat!
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2015, 04:19:20 PM »

Thanks for the impressions and your thoughts, Hands. Any amp pairing with the 650's that was your fave? I'm really enjoying Gumby feeding the ZD. Haven't heard the BW yet, but I'd be interested in comparing them.

I can hear the Gumbys warmth causing some micro details to be glossed over, in comparison to how well the Yggdrasil was able to resolve pretty much anything/everything. The Gumby is hella good at resolving, it's just warmer overall. I wish I never heard the Yggy.

Glad to have such fine pyrates at Big Sound... we need to reinforce the idea of calling good stuff good, and calling less good stuff out. A thousand thanks to both of you, and Tyll.
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2015, 04:25:30 PM »

Really didn't listen to the HD650 much on the amps there, since most were balanced, and we had no balanced HD600/650 cables on hand. The amps that I could have used it with...well, I forgot. Used the HD800 for most of the critical listening and amp comparisons. The Teton seemed quite nice, as did the Black Widow. I could see those working very well with the HD650. I actually did hear the HD650 briefly on the BW, and it sounded better than the Ether + BW.

So far, my favorite amp I've heard is Anax's old, modded Super 7 that MisterRogers modified even further.
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2015, 05:47:04 PM »

So far, my favorite amp I've heard is Anax's old, modded Super 7 that MisterRogers modified even further.
The one with the crazy regulator upgrades, right?
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Re: Hands Full of Big Sound Impressions (And Other Goodies)
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2015, 07:17:46 PM »

That's the one!
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