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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2015, 02:25:09 PM »

I believe you heard only one side of the story? How sure are you that story you heard is 100% true?

Anyways is it possible for someone here to share the measuring methodology? I would love to improve my measurements to make them more useful here.
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2015, 02:27:45 PM »

Hi Muz02, as for David Tao Jiang, the part about the bribed police raid is hard for him to deny, since he tried to spread news of that himself (minus the bribed part) as a way to claim that Noble was going out of business. It ended up backfiring as the troll accounts he used got him banned from head-fi and the raid went nowhere.


The guy was VP of Phonak and CEO of micro-DSP its hard to believe he just didnt pay his workers
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2015, 02:42:10 PM »

Anyways is it possible for someone here to share the measuring methodology? I would love to improve my measurements to make them more useful here.

Ey, try asking/checking here -> http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2305.0.html
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2015, 03:10:26 PM »

Hi Muz02, as for David Tao Jiang, the part about the bribed police raid is hard for him to deny, since he tried to spread news of that himself (minus the bribed part) as a way to claim that Noble was going out of business. It ended up backfiring as the troll accounts he used got him banned from head-fi and the raid went nowhere.

Hello Jack, thanks for coming. As I have the story, the designs came through a company called Janus, so you're right, there was no direct connection with Heir, only an indirect one. I think to really clear the air and be totally honest, I'd love for you to answer: What relationship do you have with Jiang Tao?



Kunlun,

I have NEVER met Jiang Tao or have ever heard of him prior to these accusations. Feel free to double verify with Alan Newton, Janus' CEO. Understand that several of these US companies would not be coming to us and paying US labor if they had to give or sell us the blueprint, that's what third world outsourcing is for. CIEMs are the smallest segment of our business and the least complex when compared to our medical devices. So once again ALL of our designs are made in house and we've never bought, been sold, or have been given any "designs" by a third party.

Best,
Jack
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2015, 05:28:20 PM »

Hi Folks,

This is sticky stuff.

Janus Development (from my understanding) is essentially a marketing company. They market a product called the "SpeechEasy" which the internal parts/chipset was developed by MicroDSP in conjunction with East Carolina Univ. https://www.ecu.edu/cs-dhs/csd/speecheasy.cfm 
(more information about the speecheasy can be found on YouTube).

The SpeechEasy, in a custom format, requires a shell (just like a hearing aid).   Janus initially utilized a company called "Argosy" to build the shells, and eventually Janus moved that service to Savvitek. http://www.bizapedia.com/ga/SAVVITEK-LABORATORIES-INC.html

Jiang Tao was a board member of Janus, http://www.corporationwiki.com/North-Carolina/Greenville/janus-development-group-inc/55781422.aspx
Jiang Tao (according to Jiang Tao) showed Janus all the designs, demo products, sample shells, etc etc created by at that time his business partner Dr. Moulton.   Essentially what happened was Jiang Tao created another CIEM competing against Heir Audio. (while holding a postion at Janus and Heir Audio)

Janus approached Savvitek, a natural fit, to build CIEMs under the Name "Gorilla Ears."

It is not the contention of Dr. Moulton that Gorilla Ears/Ear Works/Savvitek usses the plans provided by Jiang Tao. Did those plans ever flow down to the inner workings of Savvitek?  I don't know, that would be a guess.  I'm not sure that they would be even of any help. For example, if say a company has a working product line, they would have (in theory) an inventory of specific drivers to support that line.  If another product design was introduced, in order to adopt that product, more parts would need to be stocked.  It would seem to me, to adopt a new plan under a long term product line up would be an expensive endeavor.


"The guy was VP of Phonak and CEO of micro-DSP its hard to believe he just didnt pay his workers"



It isn't that simple with Chinese labor laws. Essentially it works like this. In China employee is mandated to sign an employment contract, and within that contract will be a non-compete clause.  Here is the sticker.... if you leave that company, you can not compete..... but your FORMER employer must pay you a "binders sallary" in order to keep the contract active. 
If this binding sallary is not paid, then you are no longer bound by the contract. (contract is usually 2 years).    A lot of employers don't bother to pay, probably under the assumption that their former employee wouldn't have the means to start a competing company etc etc.   


Regardless all this drama was nearly 3 years ago (at least the start up of Gorilla Ears.)  & the fomation of Noble, approximately 2 years ago. We have moved on.

"And upon listening comparison between Kaiser 10 and Savant, I found that the Savant are more coherent sounding and better balanced, although the Kaiser 10 are way better in separation and detail retreival. The Savant sounds more open too. I like the Savants more than the Kaiser 10. "



Wonderful comments, and I'm torn as well.....  not sure which one I like most.  Sometimes I like the Savant most & sometimes I like the K10 the most!

Cheers,
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2015, 05:42:10 PM »


Did those plans ever flow down to the inner workings of Savvitek?  I don't know, that would be a guess.


John,

A bad guess at that, it never flowed. Unless you have concrete evidence, which doesn't exist, leave this behind as it's obvious where all of this information is circulating from.

Best,
Jack
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2015, 06:05:13 PM »

All of this is nonsense to me. Sounds like a Hollywood film made by the Coen brothers. All you need is to add an accidental murder by a desperate and clumsy character. Maybe John Tutturo or William H. Macy can put on yellowface and play an Chinese person.

Consumer IEM tech, for what it's worth, isn't exactly rocket science. Some hobbyists have figured it out. The designs are more or less the same from manufacturer to manufacturer. The real challenges in this crowded market are with marketing, production, and service.

99.9% of people on this forum really don't give a shit at what Mr. Wang Ba Dan did or did not do to screw over people. In the end, Lord Karma is a bitch.
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2015, 06:10:45 PM »

You sir, deserve a medal for that comment alone.  :)p7
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2015, 06:37:30 PM »

Here is new story for Novel.

A businessman found a talent and offered him minority partner in new company. Business grows and a successful brand is created with lot of following.  Businessman tries to grown his business in different countries and offers different companies subsidiaries. Meanwhile minority partner wants more for his skills and hardwork. A new marketing company/person sniffs some opportunity and offers the guy fame , success and lot of money. Together they ditch the  businessman and start new business which competes with original company and products. Businessman threatens them with contract and anti competitive agreements but doesnot work due to country labor laws.

They take away all skilled labor from the businessman, launch it big on popular forum and sponsor it. Old businessman tries to defend it in vain. He also cant afford the forum fees and looses it membership.

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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2015, 06:56:25 PM »

Money is very evil and sinful. Free yourselves from it. Just PM me and give it to me. I'll bite the bullet.
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