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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 01:27:11 AM »

Some really poor measurements going on if the K10 and Savant have the same bass.

Meanwhile, since the Heir 10.A is there: David Tao Jiang, head of Heir Audio, literally tried to steal money from mothers trying to support their children. We don't really think about the people who engineer and build ciems, but for Heir, it was a bunch of moms supporting their families. David Tao Jiang decided he'd make more money if he never paid them.

When the entire design and engineering staff of Heir moved to Noble (where they are part owners of the Chinese company which is part of Noble and insured fair treatment), David Tao Jiang tried to bribe police to raid their offices. It ended up not working and Noble is doing well, in spite of human diaper rash David Tao Jiang.

So, yeah, I don't really think people should buy from any company associated with David Tao Jiang, Heir is one of those and Earwerks is another (Earwerks was sold Dr. Moulton's early and old designs without any credit or money going to Dr. Moulton--it was all pocketed by David Tao Jiang).
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 02:16:06 AM »

Hi guys,

Thanks for chiming in.

The IEMs were mounted and measured 5 times to make sure that seal problems are ruled out.

I am using Room EQ Wizard, should I use Arta instead?

Would be good if some of you guys can share some measurements methodology you have and I will re-measure according to your standard.

And upon listening comparison between Kaiser 10 and Savant, I found that the Savant are more coherent sounding and better balanced, although the Kaiser 10 are way better in separation and detail retreival. The Savant sounds more open too. I like the Savants more than the Kaiser 10.
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 02:37:15 AM »

Some really poor measurements going on if the K10 and Savant have the same bass.

Meanwhile, since the Heir 10.A is there: David Tao Jiang, head of Heir Audio, literally tried to steal money from mothers trying to support their children. We don't really think about the people who engineer and build ciems, but for Heir, it was a bunch of moms supporting their families. David Tao Jiang decided he'd make more money if he never paid them.

When the entire design and engineering staff of Heir moved to Noble (where they are part owners of the Chinese company which is part of Noble and insured fair treatment), David Tao Jiang tried to bribe police to raid their offices. It ended up not working and Noble is doing well, in spite of human diaper rash David Tao Jiang.

So, yeah, I don't really think people should buy from any company associated with David Tao Jiang, Heir is one of those and Earwerks is another (Earwerks was sold Dr. Moulton's early and old designs without any credit or money going to Dr. Moulton--it was all pocketed by David Tao Jiang).

Kunlun,

We have NEVER, in any way, shape or, form, been affiliated with Heir audio or any of their associates. All of our designs are 100% meticulously engineered from scratch right here in Georgia, USA by the same 4 engineers that we've been working with since 1998, one of them being my father. We have made tens of thousands of original CIEMs for numerous companies and have been a staple in the manufacturing industry behind doors with EarWerkz being our debut retail front. I hope this clears things up!

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Jack Vang
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EarWerkz

p.s. I've already talked to Jude about this, and I'll see you on Head-Fi in a month! (Future Sponsor)
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 04:31:08 AM »

Kunlun,

We have NEVER, in any way, shape or, form, been affiliated with Heir audio or any of their associates. All of our designs are 100% meticulously engineered from scratch right here in Georgia, USA by the same 4 engineers that we've been working with since 1998, one of them being my father. We have made tens of thousands of original CIEMs for numerous companies and have been a staple in the manufacturing industry behind doors with EarWerkz being our debut retail front. I hope this clears things up!

Regards,

Jack Vang
Founder
EarWerkz

p.s. I've already talked to Jude about this, and I'll see you on Head-Fi in a month! (Future Sponsor)


And this is the kind of stuff I don't like to see.

What you seem to be saying is:

"We did not sell Dr. Moulton's early and old designs to anybody" and "We never had in our possession any of Dr. Moulton's designs". Correct?

Please verify statements above and if possible avoid threats.

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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 05:16:29 AM »

And this is the kind of stuff I don't like to see.

What you seem to be saying is:

"We did not sell Dr. Moulton's early and old designs to anybody" and "We never had in our possession any of Dr. Moulton's designs". Correct?

Please verify statements above and if possible avoid threats.



Geppetto,

No threats were intended. To elaborate we've been dealing with these false rumors for awhile, with it's pinpointed origin known, but we've remained quiet up until now. Since we intend to be sponsors on another popular forum I felt that it was my duty to clear the air with their owner Jude, months ago, that we were in no way ever affiliated with Heir audio/Moulton/Noble or any of their employees, designs, products, etc.

In regards to what you're asking

1. No. We've never "purchased" or have been "sold" or "given" any of our competitor's designs nor will we ever seek it out. We are more than capable of producing our own products from the ground up.

2. Like any other full service CIEM/IEM company we offer a full service repair.

Best,

Jack Vang
Founder
EarWerkz
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 05:18:44 AM »

Thanks Jack. I hope you don't mind if we don't delete anything. I feel that deleting things rather than leaving things out in the open harbors suspicion and feeds even more rumors. I've had one of our moderators respond to you.

As far as I am concerned, I don't trust hearsay. Direct evidence needs to be presented.
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 05:20:17 AM »

Geppetto,

No threats were intended. To elaborate we've been dealing with these false rumors for awhile, with it's pinpointed origin known, but we've remained quiet up until now. Since we intend to be sponsors on another popular forum I felt that it was my duty to clear the air with their owner Jude, months ago, that we were in no way ever affiliated with Heir audio/Moulton/Noble or any of their employees, designs, products, etc.

In regards to what you're asking

1. No. We've never "purchased" or have been "sold" or "given" any of our competitor's designs nor will we ever seek it out. We are more than capable of producing our own products from the ground up.

2. Like any other full service CIEM/IEM company we offer a full service repair.

Best,

Jack Vang
Founder
EarWerkz

Well. That's that.

Now go on and continue through this forum in peace.

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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 05:24:56 AM »

Merv/Geppetto/TheGame,

Thank you guys sincerely for giving me the opportunity to respond and clear things up in public. It's been a nuisance for us.

Best,

Jack
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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2015, 07:16:51 AM »

I would like to hear other side of story (David Tao Jiang)

Code, designs and other IP belong to the company and not to the designer. Company can sell it to anyone.

Even if EarWerkz bought it, why should someone ruin their business and livelihood of workers.

Someone has to prove that the designs and crossovers Earwerkz use are from someone else before mud slinging.

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Re: Noble K10 (custom), Heir Audio 10.A (custom), Noble Savant
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2015, 02:00:21 PM »

Hi Muz02, as for David Tao Jiang, the part about the bribed police raid is hard for him to deny, since he tried to spread news of that himself (minus the bribed part) as a way to claim that Noble was going out of business. It ended up backfiring as the troll accounts he used got him banned from head-fi and the raid went nowhere.

Hello Jack, thanks for coming. As I have the story, the designs came through a company called Janus, so you're right, there was no direct connection with Heir, only an indirect one. I think to really clear the air and be totally honest, I'd love for you to answer: What relationship do you have with Jiang Tao?

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