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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2015, 10:46:26 PM »

For breaking down the family unit? Yes. Texting, video games, and the Internet. More people will watch TV with at least one other person in the family than would do the other three.

Those came along after the battle was lost, and killed off the survivors.
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2015, 11:29:45 PM »

Yeah, TV totally drives people apart.  ;)



Entire original skit is a classic.

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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2015, 12:20:37 AM »

Yeah, TV totally drives people apart.  ;)

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Entire original skit is a classic.

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You two are really both right. Those skits work as both critique and as proof of concept: we have a nostalgic attachment to family time watching those shows (and myriad others) because the work of centering the life of the private sphere around mass market commodities had already been completed by the time we began our childhoods. I think that television had a large part in that, for sure. Brecht thought as much. Adorno and Horkheimer put a lot of the blame on popular music. Irving Howe and Frederic Wertham both blamed comic books. Saul Bellow blamed the declining cultural importance of the novel.

Kids in my generation got sad about the deaths of Optimus Prime and Littlefoot's Mom because a weekend theater trip or an evening movie night was co-terminus with family time and almost no one saw any problem with that. (If not Littlefoot's Mom and Optimus Prime, then what about "Jurassic Bark"...) That debate had already ended and it was perfectly fine to watch In Living Color with your brother and see who did the best impression of Fire Marshall Bill.

It seemed like there were limits then though. Cinema, drive-in theaters, the arcades, laser tag, the mall: away from home, our relationship to mass market commodities had a relationship to a shared commons or some form of minimally class-gated collectivity. In that way, it mirrored our experience at home. We experienced commodities with family; we experienced commodities with friends or at least with members of our community. We had to put a fucking quarter on the machine to call 'next'.

The problem with texting, video games, laptops, smartphones, etc etc - digitally-enabled mobile devices coupled with wireless access - is that they took the previous conquest of the private sphere and expanded it to the rest of the public sphere and public life. And it did it in a way that no longer required any interpersonal interaction whatsoever. Now, assholes can't stop at a stoplight without checking their Facebook. Shopping can be handled through Amazon, or iTunes, or Priceline. No one needs to have a conversation in line because they're staring at their screens. Groceries can come by Peapod or Amazon Pantry. We might not even have to see postal workers anymore soon if mail drones start to catch on.

Things like TiVo, Online Piracy, Video on Demand, and Streaming Services have even to a large extent ruptured our shared temporality that television previously carefully constructed around watching things at the same time on the same evening. Except for maybe sports broadcasts and superhero films.
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2015, 12:43:52 AM »

I have no problem criticizing poor content, just not the actual device or medium itself which is inherently agnostic.

But not all media technologies are actually neutral ('agnostic' as you put it); I doubt that technology as such can be said to be clearly neutral. Some media are one-to-many channels with a centralized message/program, which means lots of control (including quality control), some are many-to-many (with a democratizing but also a chaotic potential), some media are many-to-one (like your TV example). Some might have been but got reduced to less than they can be. Some clearly have the potential for wreaking havoc on structures many value.

For instance: Radio, which started as a wide-open, many-to-many medium, had great promise but got strapped into a limited range of mainstream pop, stations with country AND western music, and talk radio stations with increasingly rabidly divisive hosts. (although when I still had a car my age, I had a weakness for AM stations from Mexico, for their music ;-) So now instead of dialogue, multiplicity, and a wide range of tastes and flavors, everyone gets the same narrow band of classic rock and tepid sports coverage. Classical music coverage in California now is basically ONE frequency. Jazz is ONE station, most days. Where are the many flavors of electronic music? Folk? World? Asian pop? Not to mention political opinions that dare to occasionally diverge from the two stupid monoliths that pass for party organizations in the US?

TV was never set up to be many-to-many: its threshold to entry is higher, but its program quality has suffered - partly because so much time is devoted to advertising. In 1982, each hour had six minutes of ads; by 2001, it was twelve - and today, each hour of TV has to accommodate four minutes of local ads and at least twelve of syndicated ads. The headlines last week were full of the falling revenues for broadcast media, which is a consequence of an increasingly dispersed audience (online, on their smartphones, or on game consoles as much or more than watching TV each day). The more money the competing channels spend on trying to reach their audience, the less TV programmers have to spend on quality content - hence the rapid growth of reality TV.

I could go on - but it's a beautiful day and I'm going to go out with my SO instead of spending any more time at a screen. Opting for the exclusive narrow-band signal of marriage over the promiscuous Internet for once ;-)
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2015, 03:15:37 AM »

So, it looks like the worst way to spend an afternoon is watching a TV soap opera that centers around a torrid love affair between a leaf blower and an automated speed enforcement camera. popcorn

Somewhere in the depths of the internet, there's probably a rule 34 for this...
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2015, 07:47:22 AM »

You guys must have zero content in your govt. regulated worlds. :D

Reading can't replace this:

I confess: I did buy the complete (at the time) set of David Attenborough DVDs  and do occasionally watch some


No Looney Tunes, Animaniacs or South Park?!  :-0 How would we ever learn about the Japanese otherwise?

It's true that I do miss The Simpsons!

I was watching some TV at my host's place during my UK holiday last month. Notable was Eastenders  for its sub-Hardy/Conrad dire and twisted themes in which all is for the worst in the worst of all possible worlds, and nobody can escape their dreadful family/personal destiny. Coronation Street, at least, allowed its characters an occasional happy moment. Masterchef was good!

Don't know if I would watch more TV in UK, but I don't think so. I had almost given it up before I left. I don't find much on Indian TV on the rare occasions when I turn it on. I was never much of a movie watcher, and I dislike Iindian movies a lot (I hate the music!).

However, all this absence of TV in my life doesn't lead to lack of screens and electronics. I sit in front of the internet instead, and it feeds me news, information, entertainment and social life.
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2015, 07:54:13 AM »

My two cents (literally) when I watch TV together with the family (the kids anyway, the wife hates TV): cricket and reruns of Friends. Otherwise, I give TV a wide berth.
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2015, 09:25:54 AM »

No one has nominated S-D (audio) dacs, esp Sabre!?
Class-D (audio) amplifiers, anyone? 

If that thread would have opened in HF, i bet vacuum tubes would have been among top ten posts.
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A few years back my answer to the genie would have been ''Facebook''. But it seems to bring some positive traits to society lately. Still, world would be better place if those kind of social-media things never existed.

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But honestly, i wouldn't want to condemn any single technology. Thanks Ultra for bringing 1984 up, it's the people and politics that make some technologies sinful and annoying.
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Re: Wish a technology down the memory hole
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2015, 10:20:13 AM »

Bring back monarchy? Some people never lost it. What would the trash newspapers of UK do without it?

(concentrate on film and other celebrities, I suppose).

There! That's a thing, albeit not a technology, that we could do without: celebrity!
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