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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2015, 08:10:00 PM »

Smaller holes, but more of them. Would you rather get diddled by three little plugs or one big one?

This is such a complicated hobby. ???
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2015, 08:15:14 PM »

Just throwing this out there.  Buy a good quality soldering iron and solder and watch some youtube videos/read some articles on how to solder.  Then price out some decent cable and connectors.  Hell if you re-terminate then you don't even need to buy new cable.

After you do the above and re-wire a set of headphones you'll probably scratch your head and wonder a) what's with all the margin and b) wonder...that's all there is to a "balanced" headphone?

If you're worried about making a mistake start with some cheap headphones.
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2015, 09:08:08 PM »

http://www.head-fi.org/t/676402/diy-cable-questions-and-comments-thread
First page has some very good info and a very useful wiring diagram for HE-560 by "wje", which I think is easy enough to extrapolate to the HD800. At towards the bottom, they talk about the HD800 plugs.

The links were invaluable, especially the eBay links. Wires will be the hardest part to find, which is what took me hours to find.

Different wire materials may or may not change the sound for better or for worse... There are good guides that define the different types of wires. I chose this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221654714514?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT  Pretty much an unbelievable price (it's per METER!). I wanted 24AWG, but they were only selling a 95 meter spool of it, and I only needed <20 meter. It's supposed to be silver-plated OCC, but I will probably never know if that is true or not. Still...it was inexpensive.  p:3

Learning to solder something of that size isn't too hard and kinda fun.
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2015, 09:17:14 PM »

Just throwing this out there.  Buy a good quality soldering iron and solder and watch some youtube videos/read some articles on how to solder.  Then price out some decent cable and connectors.  Hell if you re-terminate then you don't even need to buy new cable.

After you do the above and re-wire a set of headphones you'll probably scratch your head and wonder a) what's with all the margin and b) wonder...that's all there is to a "balanced" headphone?

If you're worried about making a mistake start with some cheap headphones.

Good point. I'd like to get into DIY, but I just don't have the time or the energy right now.
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2015, 12:18:01 PM »

More solid metal-on-metal contact, and no chance to short the pins when plugging in.

Can also potentially have better shielding and impedance thingamabobs in the xlr barrel.

Would you not get a better contact on the larger 1/4" thing than 4 small pins? Anyhow, I'm sticking to XLR cos it makes me look like I know what I'm doing.
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2015, 01:40:49 PM »

Would you not get a better contact on the larger 1/4" thing than 4 small pins? Anyhow, I'm sticking to XLR cos it makes me look like I know what I'm doing.
Now I didn't do any calculations, but the general trend is smaller volume leads to larger surface area. As Armaegis posted on the previous page, I think the major benefit of XLR is not shorting things when you plug in TRS.

XLR does make it seem more professional.  headbang
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2015, 03:52:37 PM »

Would you not get a better contact on the larger 1/4" thing than 4 small pins? Anyhow, I'm sticking to XLR cos it makes me look like I know what I'm doing.

- The contact area on TRS plugs is tiny. It's a rounded plug surface plug making contact with a flat spring surface. A bit of dust or corrosion on that spot can ruin the connection.
- A worn out spring won't make proper contact.
- There's minimal lateral support for the plug, making it prone to movement, and you do not want conducting surfaces to move when in use (I've had PA speakers which can sound grainy/static because the vibration from the sound they produced would rattle the 1/4" plug; this is awful for the driver). Bonus: if you're sparking the contact area because you keep shaking the contact point, it's going to corrode quickly and possibly become non-conductive, leading to even more problems
- As mentioned earlier, the contact surfaces may short out during insertion because the tip goes through the ground and ring before it reaches the end, and likewise the ring goes through the ground first, and sometimes those touch two conductive surfaces at the same time. Bad mojo any way you look at it. Bonus: a lot of headamps have high resistors slapped on the outputs not for sound quality, but for protection* so in case you do short the outputs, you're not burning out the amp or other things (*maybe also for stability issues, but that's another can of worms)
- pros of TRS: slim, doesn't care about orientation, good for quick swapping (designed for telephone switchboard use)


By comparison: XLR plugs have lots of lateral support/strength and pin contact area is a partial compression sleeve. There is virtually zero chance of shorting unless you're sticking a fork in there or trying to lick the ends. Debatably you can also provide shielding and impedance matching with specially designed barrels.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 07:42:17 PM by Armaegis »
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2015, 04:00:59 PM »

Now I didn't do any calculations, but the general trend is smaller volume leads to larger surface area. As Armaegis posted on the previous page, I think the major benefit of XLR is not shorting things when you plug in TRS.

XLR does make it seem more professional.  headbang


fwiw, that's only surface area per volume, not total surface area. But yeah...
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2015, 04:28:21 PM »

I have probably a hundred cable builds under my belt at this point and have just a couple data points to add:

If you DIY, XLR's are way easier to work with than TRS connectors.  Nice big solder cups that are isolated from the other solder points.  I concur with the robustness of construction and connection that others have mentioned.

Having used cheap vs premium (ie expensive) components, I don't know for sure if I have found a noticeable difference outside of build quality and handling.  Though some folks who I have built for swear up and down they heard big differences.

As for XLR vs TRS, I think the main differences I have heard are more due to amp topology than anything inherent to the cable/connector configuration.

And though it is less useful to you unless you can cancel your cable order, I will echo that cables should be the last thing you tweak.  $500 is a big chunk of change that can take you to a whole other level of amp or DAC that will likely make more of a difference than the cable ever will.

BUT, I completely understand and respect the impact on enjoyment (the whole point of this hobby for me) that a nice, pretty cable can have.  I use cables that are probably overkill for my gear, but since I got the core components at a discount and I built them myself, I get quite a lot of enjoyment using them.   :)p6
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Re: Shedding TRS for Higher Fidelity
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2015, 05:56:27 PM »

BUT, I completely understand and respect the impact on enjoyment (the whole point of this hobby for me) that a nice, pretty cable can have.  I use cables that are probably overkill for my gear, but since I got the core components at a discount and I built them myself, I get quite a lot of enjoyment using them.   :)p6
I think I'm going to enjoy rolling my own straight-forward cables, like headphone and XLR interconnects (not so sure I can do a good job with data cables or shielded cables, though). Never in my life would I have thought I would be going to a website like this http://www.cutegirlshairstyles.com/. Or asking myself, "How will this braid look as a 3-strand, 3-strand asymmetric, 4-strand, 4-strand asymmetric? Flat or round? How about colored strands?"

Since I only build a computer once every 4-5 years, this will hopefully satisfy that "build" itch.
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