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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2015, 04:43:26 AM »

Holy crap, that's brave, posting 20Hz measurements out of a transformer-coupled tube amp! Transformers are most disadvantaged in the bass (just check some bad transformer-coupled designs for bass distortion, holy moly.) The Studio is daaaaammmmnnnn impressive.

I expect midband measurements to be really amazing.

Have you had a chance to hear it or are you just looking at the measurements?

How relevant is tube rolling and tube condition to these? Would be cool for people to see how/if different tubes alter what you've shown and whether there would be a subjective correlation.

I'd also be curious to see the effects/their magnitude.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2015, 04:52:21 AM »

Have you had a chance to hear it or are you just looking at the measurements?

Don't know if Jason has heard it. Mike Moffat has heard it with the Yggy and pretty darn good (for the $$) turntable rig.

Casey at LHLabs and Jazmin at UE have also heard it. She's not an audio forum troll though, but her reaction was priceless. Wish I had that on video.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2015, 05:04:55 AM »

Don't know if Jason has heard it. Mike Moffat has heard it with the Yggy and pretty darn good (for the $$) turntable rig.

Casey at LHLabs and Jazmin at UE have also heard it. She's not an audio forum troll though, but her reaction was priceless. Wish I had that on video.

Hearing truly is believing. Those few listens at the SF Meet were as impressive as anything I've ever heard.

I don't know squat about tubes so I look forward to hitting you and Marv up for recommendations on a good set (or two) of 2a3s.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2015, 05:32:48 AM »

Have you had a chance to hear it or are you just looking at the measurements?

It's simply a matter of "holy cow" measurements for a transformer coupled amp. Both the Tribute interstages and Cinemag OPTs are mighty impressive as far as performance at the low extreme. Most transformers can't even hit 20Hz flat, much less have inaudible or near inaudible distortion. To be fair, there is 1.45db feedback from the tertiary windings of the Cinemags. That does tend to help extension and distortion.

Are these measurements the end all be all? Of course not. Do I personally hear perfection in the bass? Almost. 90% there. Nothing is perfect. Still the best bass quality from a tube amp I've ever heard - subjectively exceeding that of many solid-state amps.

See FR below. Using FFT averaged white noise, so a big jaggy. FFT size of 65536 pts might limit measurement of low bass, but we still got some idea. Graph goes down to 1Hz. 100 ohm load. Amps go in this order:

The Studio
Vali
Magni 2


Magni wins again. But The Studio reaches down to 20Hz clean with -1db at 16Hz.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2015, 07:08:19 AM »

One of the most interesting thread I ever read. Thks  :)p1

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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2015, 07:12:00 AM »

It's simply a matter of "holy cow" measurements for a transformer coupled amp.
This. The Studio's distortion performance is *very* good. The slight odd-order distortion at the bottom of the response might add a small bit of character there, but it might help keep the bass from going limp as the volume goes up.

The only thing that looks funny compared to the other graphs...
The only thing that looks funny to me are the uneven sidebands in the Studio's IM plots, which imply a level of phase-intermodulation-distortion that is within spitting distance of the (amplitude)IM itself. I'm not suggesting it is audible, just notable.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2015, 07:33:42 AM »

Would be interesting to have some measurement of  bad transformer coupled tube amp to compare.  Is there any chance to get one Marvey ? No nedd to name it. The idea is to see a reference of bad measurements.

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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2015, 02:47:46 PM »

It's simply a matter of "holy cow" measurements for a transformer coupled amp. Both the Tribute interstages and Cinemag OPTs are mighty impressive as far as performance at the low extreme. Most transformers can't even hit 20Hz flat, much less have inaudible or near inaudible distortion.

Exactly. After testing some passive transformer-based summing solutions for transforming a circlotron's balanced output to single-ended, I have immense respect for any transformer that can (a) do anything at all at 20 Hz, and (b) meet or exceed its stated distortion performance at low frequencies. You're talking $$$$$$$ iron to do that.

And nope, I haven't heard the Studio yet. I'm a little scared to. I think, at heart, I really do enjoy doing the most we can at the lowest cost. Oddly enough (considering his history), so does Mike.
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Re: Amp measurements: Obj2, Magni 2, Vali, Studio
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2015, 05:59:10 PM »

Any idea for test that can separate the men from the boys then? Would be interesting to see where tubes edge out, unless its unmeasurable with the current setup. The 20hz distortion for the Studio is pretty sick for a design of its kind.
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