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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2015, 03:53:42 PM »

Disclaimer: I don't necessary agree with his views but nonetheless, it's a topic worth discussing.

Do you agree or disagree with his views?


Gave up on the first one after a few minutes.

The second one was much more watchable.  Pretty much spot on.  The same logic extends to amps and DACs as well.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2015, 05:02:34 PM »

Just wow:
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2015, 07:14:11 PM »

Marv and Anax are probably going to hate this but this video is pretty useful too...

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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2015, 07:22:00 PM »

 poo poo poo :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

Bigshot and Xnor would be so proud of you for you that link. Just provide a link to H-fi sound science before this thread goes all the way down the rabbit hole of facepalm.

Audiophoolery swings both ways. See if any of this applies to most members of the sound science thread or Hydrogen audio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2015, 07:33:06 PM »

See?  Clockwork!

Of course that nice list of biases applies to everyone on all sides of everything because at the moment the only thing you can have an argument is another fallible human being like yourself.

That's why experiment is the way to settle disputes.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2015, 07:34:30 PM »

Btw Mav, have you ever had a chance to AB your O2 versus the Ragnarok yet? I know you've been to a few meets and exhibitions. Do they sound the same??

Anyone who makes grand universal claims like, "there are only four audio parameters". Or says, "let me define transparency for you," is a fucking zealot.

Ethan Weiner is a zealot who hides behind selected samples and predispositions. He's not even an electrical engineer to my knowledge.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2015, 07:39:59 PM »

Btw Mav, have you ever had a chance to AB your O2 versus the Ragnarok yet? I know you've been to a few meets and exhibitions. Do they sound the same??

Didn't have chance for that one.  The only one I've seen was Dan's and too many people wanted a listen to the Ether.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2015, 07:42:48 PM »

Didn't have chance for that one.  The only one I've seen was Dan's and too many people wanted a listen to the Ether.

I dare you or anyone to do that AB and come back here with a straight face and honestly say they sound the same. If not, offer an 'objective' explanation why using Ethan Weiner's selected metrics.

Remember the Rag is summed on TRS, not that there would be a audible difference versus XLR via Ethan Weiner right?

Your ODAC is built in right? So you can't compare it to the Geek Out either? They should sound the same yeah per Ethan Weiner?
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2015, 08:05:07 PM »

Anyone who makes grand universal claims like, "there are only four audio parameters". Or says, "let me define transparency for you," is a fucking zealot.

He casts his "distortion" and "noise" nets pretty damn wide.  By his definitions it's basically true, but not super useful.

I dare you or anyone to do that AB and come back here with a straight face and honestly say they sound the same.

If I thought they sounded different it would just be time build a switchbox...

Remember the Rag is summed on TRS, not that there would be a audible difference versus XLR via Ethan Weiner right?

Your ODAC is built in right? So you can't compare it to the Geek Out either? They should sound the same yeah per Ethan Weiner?

Who knows how that summing circuit works or measures.  With it's higher Zout I wouldn't be surprised if it sounds and measures different than the balanced which I what I presume the numbers on Schiit's site are for.

My ODAC is separate.  It's just the board from JDS.  My O2 was built by Lord Voldermort himself.  He sent it to me as a review sample.

I can't say I notice any differences between my ODAC and my Focusrite 2i2 or my O2 and my UHA-4 (as long as I don't demand too much power from it).  The headout on by 2i2 seem to have some extra Zout though
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2015, 08:09:58 PM »

Your O2 sounds identical to the UHA4 to you?
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