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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2015, 01:58:55 PM »

On side subject...isn't krell non existent anymore? I thought remember reading the company is dying and last giant class a amps they designed was on complete recall cause of them litterly catching on fire and blowing up. Surprised Harman never bought them off but, they probably have no reason cause  Harman has mark levison.
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2015, 04:28:37 PM »

On side subject...isn't krell non existent anymore? I thought remember reading the company is dying and last giant class a amps they designed was on complete recall cause of them litterly catching on fire and blowing up. Surprised Harman never bought them off but, they probably have no reason cause  Harman has mark levison.

I hadn't heard anything to that effect. The company's founder Dan D'Agostino was ousted over a fight with an outside investor that he had brought in, and he's now running his own ultra high-end company. But other than that, AFAIK Krell is still rolling along as usual. At last year's CES they introduced iBias, basically as a way to run Class A amps in a low power idle state as other floating/sliding bias amps like Karans have already been doing for awhile.
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2015, 11:56:44 PM »

Why active preamps?
  • Weak source. Need more voltage to drive power amps / speakers.
  • Impedance mismatches between source and amp.
  • Long distances between source and amps.
  • Need handy volume control, possible with remote control.
  • Want to color the sound, e.g. colored tubes.
  • You have an unresolving POS source, so it makes no difference anyways.
Why not?
  • Adding more crap to the chain = less resolving, less clear, more veiled, flatter sound.
  • Want to avoid coloring the sound.
  • Want to take advantage of super resolving DACs like Yggy.
Conclusion: avoid active preamps if you can. If you must color, do it with source or amp. Don't add more active crap into the chain.
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2015, 12:21:59 AM »

Why active preamps?
  • Weak source. Need more voltage to drive power amps / speakers.
  • Impedance mismatches between source and amp.
  • Long distances between source and amps.
  • Need handy volume control, possible with remote control.
  • Want to color the sound, e.g. colored tubes.
  • You have an unresolving POS source, so it makes no difference anyways.
Why not?
  • Adding more crap to the chain = less resolving, less clear, more veiled, flatter sound.
  • Want to avoid coloring the sound.
  • Want to take advantage of super resolving DACs like Yggy.
Conclusion: avoid active preamps if you can. If you must color, do it with source or amp. Don't add more active crap into the chain.

Any specific models of balanced passive preamps (with remote) off the top of your head?
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2015, 12:53:55 AM »

Build your own. Maybe a shunt type using a quality 2-gang pot since 4-gang pots that track well are super expensive or don't exist. Should be fine if your source is Yggy.
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2015, 01:24:19 AM »

I've heard good things about the glassware audio kits (need your own chassis and connectors), and you can't beat the price: http://glass-ware.stores.yahoo.net/baat.html  I know a few folks have used the single ended versions in their bottlehead builds with good results. 

I've recently been contemplating building up a passive pre to put in front of my F3 clone, and I'm either going to go glassware or pick up a couple of the same really nice 2 pole 6 position rotary switches bottlehead uses in the mainline, submissive and beepree upgrade kits: http://www.alliedelec.com/1/products/37591-1-section-2-6-position-2-pole-rotary-switch.html  Picture of the wiring and details here: http://bottlehead.com/beequiet-stepped-attenuator-upgrade-for-beepre-specs/
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Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2015, 03:50:19 AM »

       
    • Adding more crap to the chain = less resolving, less clear, more veiled, flatter sound.
    • Want to avoid coloring the sound.
    • Want to take advantage of super resolving DACs like Yggy.
    Conclusion: avoid active preamps if you can. If you must color, do it with source or amp. Don't add more active crap into the chain.

    That's true, but I've heard passives that just sound weaksauce, which in itself is a form of subtractive coloration. A transformer based passive might be a good option, they can work better than traditional passives at low levels, and some can supply addition gain over unity from the source if necessary. As with other passives though, remote control is a rarity. "Purist" pots and steppers used in high-end passives tend not to offer motor control.

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    Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
    « Reply #27 on: June 09, 2015, 04:27:10 AM »

    Dave, name of the preamp in the pic?
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    Re: Advantages of passive preamps? What to buy?
    « Reply #28 on: June 09, 2015, 11:29:52 AM »

    Have a look on this website for passives. I considered but never tried them so can't comment on the sound.

    http://www.hificollective.co.uk/kits/glasshousehome.html
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