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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2015, 03:57:41 AM »

Gentlemen,

I'm the proud new owner of the Yggdrasil! I sold my Mjolnir and Gungnir to help defray the cost of Yggy so I'm in need of an amp. I have the Ether on order and am trying to choose between Cavalli's new Liquid Crimson and forthcoming Carbon. I would be very grateful for any advice especially from anyone who has heard Yggy with either amp. I confess to having some qualms about the Crimson being single-ended. Will single-ended gimp Yggy? Cost is secondary to sonic quality.

At the NY meet I heard the Ether through both the Liquid Carbon and the Liquid Crimosn both using the Yggy.  I am very close to pulling the trigger on the Carbon as it is really excellent at its price and nicely compact.  The Ether and my own PM-2 both sounded excellent off that setup. But no doubt I would get the Crimson if I could afford it.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2015, 08:51:05 AM »

Why would hearing ability be any different than strength, intelligence, dexterity, vertical leap? 

Sure you can train it, but some things people will naturally be better than others, and obviously there will be a variance in people's absolute hearing ability.  I think we forget in these audio forums that people are not created equally.

I agree with that but I disagree too.

I take as a fact that everyone will do better with training. so , everyone can improve even the less talented of us. then, you can't know if a guy is really talented or not before training.  Even the most talented sprinter will stay unknown if he don't work.

So for beginners in audio or anything else , it's important to focus on training. I don't believe that people are equally talented but I strongly believe that nobody should give up before trying.

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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2015, 10:23:07 PM »

The audiophile hearing quotient bell curve takes into account age, damaged ears, concentration, training, lack of training, stupidity, placebo effect, confirmation bias (which goes both ways), ability to communicate, sensitivities, etc. The curve does not reflect human potential, but things as they are, for whatever reason they are.

At one time, I truly wanted to believe that we all mostly hear the same (assuming non damaged ears), but now I am starting to understand what matters is the way things are, not what they could be.

So yeah, a subjective quotient which is based on your own intuitive understanding of an amalgam of factors. Doesn't really make sense to argue with this other than to say I think you're wrong.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2015, 10:56:42 PM »

I agree with that but I disagree too.

I take as a fact that everyone will do better with training. so , everyone can improve even the less talented of us. then, you can't know if a guy is really talented or not before training.  Even the most talented sprinter will stay unknown if he don't work.

So for beginners in audio or anything else , it's important to focus on training. I don't believe that people are equally talented but I strongly believe that nobody should give up before trying.


I also agree it can be trained, but was not focusing on the training aspect of it, just the ability.

Anetode, I kind of agree with Marv's assessment, but I would like to hear your take on it.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #114 on: May 08, 2015, 12:07:52 AM »

'tode doesn't believe in plankton. But he does believe in altered states, i.e. Anax, CT, Ravi, and I enter trances were we actually do hear plankton, but this plankton is not generated by the Yggy.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #115 on: May 08, 2015, 12:10:31 AM »

'tode doesn't believe in plankton. But he does believe in altered states, i.e. Anax, CT, Ravi, and I enter trances were we actually do hear plankton, but this plankton is not generated by the Yggy.

Have you described this plankton elsewhere, if not can you describe it here again?  I hear the word being thrown around but not sure what it is.

nevermind:
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1856.0.html
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,593.0.html
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #116 on: May 08, 2015, 02:28:03 AM »

'tode doesn't believe in plankton. But he does believe in altered states, i.e. Anax, CT, Ravi, and I enter trances were we actually do hear plankton, but this plankton is not generated by the Yggy.

Actually I think plankton's a great term, I understand them as these minute musical/sound cues which often get swept away. It's tough to attribute what they are to any one effect, sometimes it can be a little extra ambience, or something in the very background in the recording, or a little of the nature of decay. As for trances, sure, certainly worked back in the tribal days. Thinking more like selective focus - in passive listening you may not notice what you do in critical listening and in each critical session you may be interested in a different aspect or influenced by a different mood.

I also agree it can be trained, but was not focusing on the training aspect of it, just the ability.

Anetode, I kind of agree with Marv's assessment, but I would like to hear your take on it.

I'll tackle the quotient question on another thread. Simplest way of putting it: aging, environmental damage and anatomical differences do not necessarily follow normal distribution.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #117 on: May 08, 2015, 05:04:27 PM »

I'd like to hear more from people who have some of the better DACs to compare with. That's the best way - no doubts about what the brain is or isn't getting used to. And which amp/headphones are being used.
The first few days impressions were those of a "technical DAC". I'd suggest to ask your friend again around 110-120 hours. For me, and someone else too, that was when I got some of the first good signs of what was about to come. :)

It's 1:15am and I should be sleeping but am clearly not. Not sure what the problem could be...



Well, if by better, you mean more expensive, Yggy completely blows away [sorry, hyperbole sounding...but its true!] the Audio Research Reference DAC that I've been using since December, in fact I have it up for sale.  And, FWIW, I thought the Ref DAC was better than a Linn Klimax DS/1 that I had before that.  Over time, I couldn't listen to the KDS any longer as I found it too revealing and fatiguing with the rest of my system...so I thought I'd give tubes a try and picked up the Ref DAC on AG. I found the Ref DAC to be a more enjoyable listen, but after comparing it to Yggy, there is so much information missing from the Ref DAC that it was like putting a blanket over my speakers.  I will say, though, that even though I got rid of the KDS, it was/is still the imaging champ of the DACs I've owned...it felt like you could reach out and grab the vocalists.

So in my experience, Yggy is the better DAC. I only wish Schiit had released this damn thing years ago, I would have saved a shitload of money!
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2015, 06:08:51 PM »

Keep it coming!  popcorn

Please more comparisons.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2015, 07:21:34 PM »

There was a scheduled power outage in my building yesterday which ended the ~170 hour uptime of the Yggdrasil.  Upon returning home and taking a listen, it's FAR from terrible but I can confirm the magic does indeed go away if you turn it off for a couple hours.

I am re-taking notes as it does it's stabilization thing again; will post both sets of daily listening notes (original and after power off) after I feel that the sound is no longer changing.
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