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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2015, 06:24:44 PM »

I strongly try and avoid assuming/speculating but when Bolos says he does not normally hear a difference yet the polarity switch is an audible difference my reaction is something like ---->  :-Z
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2015, 06:27:01 PM »

Well, I think there is a larger question here:  Does everyone, and I mean _everyone_ hear the differences in various DACs, or at least with the Yggy compared to cheap DACs? Is it really that blatantly obvious? If not, do all of the people who don't hear a difference have tin ears? Or does it require a sophisticated, skilled listener to notice these differences, rather than lack of hearing acuity. Or other explanations?
Can't speak for everyone, but for me, yes. I've done blind AB tests with a Naim DAC and Emotiva (similar results), an AMR DP777 (slightly better) and MSB Analog (immediately apparent, esp in leading edges and attack, giving me the first "holy shit" moment from a DAC). Much depends on the rest of your gear though.

The hardest thing to test for is S-D digital hash. I cannot identify the relative presence of lack of it in a blind test. But the COMPLETE lack of it is evidenced by the sheer purity of tone I hear on the Yggy.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2015, 06:30:08 PM »

I have to concentrate to hear differences, usually... but there are some examples that stick with me as outliers... HD 800 w/ Gungnir and Ragnarok is one, and LCD-X with BMC PureDAC is another. Those are distinctly different from all the other noise I hear.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2015, 06:31:36 PM »

Well, I think there is a larger question here:  Does everyone, and I mean _everyone_ hear the differences in various DACs, or at least with the Yggy compared to cheap DACs? Is it really that blatantly obvious? If not, do all of the people who don't hear a difference have tin ears? Or does it require a sophisticated, skilled listener to notice these differences, rather than lack of hearing acuity. Or other explanations?

I'm going to conduct this test next time I have a visitor.  I'll play them a song using the headphone out on my MBP and then switch to the Yggdrasil.  To me the difference is so enormous (and I feel that my ears are nothing special/I have lots to learn about critical listening) that I think anyone, regardless of experience, will be able to immediately hear the difference. 

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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2015, 06:33:01 PM »

no no. I actually do not doubt what he is hearing or not hearing. In other words, I believe him. I chalk it up to this:



Sort of someone else's idea so I cant take credit for it. But it does make sense.
True. To be fairer to him I edited my post. People hear differently.  Hearing can be trained. But part of the excitement of this hobby is to find others who hear the same as you, assuming there is no confirmation bias. Anyway, let's get back to enjoying the music.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2015, 06:35:58 PM »

There's a myriad of reasons why people may or may not hear things. All of which are valid. Where the BS meter goes off is paying $2.4K for something that sounds to you like anything else for a couple hundred bucks, and saying you'll keep it and be out the money to match a Ragnarok you got for free. Those details are irrelevant to audibility claims and suggest other alterior motives regarding why they are even posting in the first place. Personally, I don't find his post worth the time and effort people are giving it atm because of this.

It's an interesting topic that should have it's own thread rather than derailing this one. His post and attitude to me just smacks of another veiled attack against Schiit products by zealous pseudo-objectivists like Shiike, et. al did with the Lyr on every forum they could log on to.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2015, 06:40:32 PM »

There's a myriad of reasons why people may or may not hear things. All of which are valid. Where the BS meter goes off is paying $2.4K for something that sounds to you like anything else for a couple hundred bucks, and saying you'll keep it and be out the money to match a Ragnarok you got for free. Those details are irrelevant to audibility claims and suggest other alterior motives regarding why they are even posting in the first place. Personally, I don't find his post worth the time and effort people are giving it atm because of this.

It's an interesting topic that should have it's own thread rather than derailing this one. His post and attitude to me just smacks of another veiled attack against Schiit products by zealous pseudo-objectivists like Shiike, et. al did with the Lyr on every forum they could log on to.

Gotcha, well said. This tripped my spidey sense too, and I could tell others were feeling it.  Nice summary of that feeling.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2015, 07:03:00 PM »

no no. I actually do not doubt what he is hearing or not hearing. In other words, I believe him. I chalk it up to this:



Sort of someone else's idea so I cant take credit for it. But it does make sense.

Why would hearing ability be any different than strength, intelligence, dexterity, vertical leap? 

Sure you can train it, but some things people will naturally be better than others, and obviously there will be a variance in people's absolute hearing ability.  I think we forget in these audio forums that people are not created equally.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #98 on: May 06, 2015, 07:07:55 PM »

Bolos, what you are saying has only two implications, (a) you have tin ears or (b) you have normal hearing but everyone else who is hearing how amazing the Yggy is are hallucinating / stupid enough to fall for confirmation bias? Which is it?

So either option must be insulting to at least one party?

a) Most people have decent hearing, the differences lay in experience and training.
b) Your peripheral vision is a "hallucination", keeping rhythm in your head is a "hallucination", just about every sensory process has a component which can be derided as being merely hallucinatory and well over 90% of the decisions you make everyday are automatic and at best semi-conscious, each guided by a variety of biases as shortcuts.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil Review/Impressions thread (production)
« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2015, 07:12:14 PM »

Why would hearing ability be any different than strength, intelligence, dexterity, vertical leap? 

Sure you can train it, but some things people will naturally be better than others, and obviously there will be a variance in people's absolute hearing ability.  I think we forget in these audio forums that people are not created equally.

A bell curve isn't the best way to categorize hearing acuity, or for that matter the acuity of any other sensory input. These vary based on age, physiological damage, concentration, selective attention, etc. etc. No one can be categorized as having a singular 'hearing quotient'. I'm guessing that Marv's is a convenient subjective grouping based on his own intuition.
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