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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2015, 04:24:18 PM »

If you're buying a nice Wusthof, it's not going to that different from your Henckels since they are both German style knives. They probably use similar steel too.

I think you're looking for a sharpener. Doesn't matter what knife you own, a sharpener is a must as a dull knife is no good. If you know how to use water stones that would be the way to go. I haven't had time to learn and try on my nice knife so I bought a Mino Sharp 3. That's probably the best roller kit that actually works but doesn't damage knives.

Not calling Shun flavor of the month but there's better for the price. And if you spend a bit more, you can get a much nicer blade from another brand.  I have a Shin myself that I bought on sale, but my Mac beats it in every way. Nor do I care for the Damascus finish.
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2015, 04:29:43 PM »

Maybe consider getting a single Shun or Mac for slicing to add to the new set. They really cut through stuff like melted butter. It is addictive to experience. That way you only have one knife to baby. I've been thinking of getting one just to use as a steak knife to add to the overall dining experience. Think it would be fun.
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2015, 04:42:44 PM »

Any quality Japanese style knife using VG10 or a similar steel will give you that edge.  Nice thing about Shun is that they have really good edges out of the box.

Remember that a gyutou is only for cutting soft things like veggie, fruit, and meat. If you need to chop things with bone, I'd pull out the cleaver instead.
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2015, 04:47:41 PM »

@16 degrees.

The 'Damascine' or hammertone finishes with 'micro pores' also help a lot with drag reduction by limiting the surface area.

NO chopping, preasu!
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2015, 10:43:45 PM »

I have a couple of lodge cast iron pans that I absolutely love. So much fun to cook with and they hold heat amazingly well. The only downside is that the 12 inch size is super heavy. Honestly I find them easier to maintain than a non-stick pan because I never have to wash it or worry about scratching the finish.

For knives, I don't think Shun is anything particularly special.  They are a fairly standard, mass produced, mid-high end knife. The Damascus is cool but there is no real performance advantage. The thing you have to think about the most is how careful you want to be with the knife. The sharpest knife will generally be the hardest knife and also the least durable. If you don't take care of a knife made out of really hard steel you will roll or chip the edge and it won't be sharp anymore (and is a pain to sharpen).

All knife metals are subject to the quality of the heat treatment, however I have had great experience with VG10 and S30v.  If you are looking for stainless steel that won't require a huge amount of maintenance but will take and hold one hell of an edge without breaking the bank, then I would start with a knife made of either of those steels.

I have a set of Wushtof Classics and they are fine for what I do, but they won't hold a hair shaving sharp edge very well. I have used Mac knives as well and I think they are great. If I recall they are cheaper than Shun and Global.
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2015, 10:57:49 PM »

For knives, I don't think Shun is anything particularly special.  They are a fairly standard, mass produced, mid-high end knife.

Do you have evidence of that? There's some marketing here to be sure, but what you say directly contradicts their claim.

"Shun cutlery is handcrafted in Japan by the Kai Corporation. For more than 100 years, Kai's highly skilled artisans have been producing blades of unparalleled quality in the spirit of the legendary swordsmiths of Japan. For three generations, Kai has been dedicated to listening to the voices of its customers, providing products that contribute to a more tasteful life. Incredibly sharp edges, partnered with a stunning aesthetic, set Shun knives apart from every other kitchen knife on the market today. In the tradition of Seki’s swordsmiths, every knife is handmade by highly skilled specialists and requires at least 100 handcrafted steps to complete. Every day, the legacy of ancient swordsmiths serves as inspiration to the artisans in the Kai factories. This tradition of excellence, combined with the newest technology and advanced materials, makes every Shun knife a functional work of art."

shun.kaiusaltd.com/faq
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2015, 11:22:04 PM »

Shun knives are made on a large scale and are widely available. Nothing in their claim that contradicts that. I have no doubt they are hand made, but when you are distributing in large quantities across the world that product is being mass produced. All I am saying is that there is nothing that I have seen from Shun that makes them any better or worse than other similarly priced offerings (such as Mac).
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2015, 12:02:26 AM »

Not sure I agree with that completely. When I hear "fairly standard mass production" I think machines stamping, honing, packaging and shipping with like one or two sets of human eyes on during the entire process. Their FAQ makes it sound like they are closer to hand worked and assembled than the flimsy plastic handled knives you can get on 'As Seen on TV' for $19.99 (x2 if you act now!).

Maybe I'm just a cutlery noob, but when I pickup and use a Shun, I certainly don't think, "Oh, this is just another typical mediocre knife." But I didn't grow up with elite cookery and cutlery, so YMMV.
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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2015, 12:43:07 AM »

I can understand that and that certainly isn't what I meant.  To be more clear Shun, Global, Mac fall into the category of mid-high end production knife to me.  They are all a high quality product and are produced on a large scale.  Most of them are using the same steel, which to me is a large portion of what you are paying for in a knife. That is why I say they are interchangeable. Your choice will mostly be based on design and ergonomics.

My scale is comparing those knives to the lesser known Japanese custom knife makers where the handmade knife you get is made by one person or in a small shop and the yearly production is much lower.  I went to a store one time and fondled knives that were hand forged in Japan and they blew me away.  They were somewhere between $200-$700, so they can be had for about the same price as a Shun.  I never made the leap and bought one because I didn't want the hassle that comes with them. To be fair I have never owned one of these knives but if I had to choose I would take one over a Shun.

Hope that clarifies things a bit better.  And yea I am probably too much of an enthusiast.  :)

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Re: Home Cooking
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2015, 12:51:37 AM »

Any links to the smaller mom and pop knives? If there is something better (looks, build and function) than a Shun and costs the same I'm all for it. I want one!
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