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In Defense of High Fidelity
« on: April 18, 2015, 06:39:56 PM »

 p:0 I wrote this a couple of months ago for some of my musician friends and the audio community at large, thought I'd reprint it here.

In Defense of High Fidelity
An Audio Argument by Gary Barker

Yesterday, a musician friend sent an audiophile friend an article which put forth the argument that given the current state of and trends in contemporary music along with modern recording techniques it was impossible to hear the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit recordings, and the article went on to provide a couple of short samples to prove the author's point. The implication of the article being that audiophile recordings made in 24/192 KHz or DSD are simply a rip off and of no value (you will not see me use the term Hi-Rez audio in this article, because Hi-Rez has now been “officially” defined to mean uncompressed 16/44 KHz, which the majority of us think of as Standard-Rez audio). Of course this left the audiophile pulling his hair out and the musician smiling and nodding contentedly believing that High-end audio is simply a load of “snake oil”.

To be fair, if your total music listening experience consists of listening to amplified music in clubs with a background noise floor of 75 db, or if you are a pop musician* who knows that any noise he makes below 100 db will not be heard by his audience, the argument against high bit depth (as opposed to high bit rates, which is a different thing entirely) has very strong merits. In fact, most DJs (and teenagers) would probably benefit from converting their music to uncompressed 8 bit files over most higher bit depth compression schemes (smaller files, with minimal processing overhead, while eliminating the sonic artifacts that come along with most compression schemes).

I should also point out that I came to high-end music reproduction as a musician (although a primarily acoustic one, piano being my core instrument), and I don't really consider myself an audiophile, but more of a music lover (case in point, I now own more music than I will be able to listen to in the span of my lifetime at my current rate of consumption, but continue to collect more), though the more accurate the reproduction, the more enjoyable the experience is for me.

And that brings me to what I really want to talk about. For audio skeptics (AES engineers and their ilk),  or half deaf drummers to say that there is no difference between Mid-fi (Standard Resolution Audio) and Hi-Fi (Audiophile Quality Audio) is equivalent to saying  that there is no difference between a $2.00 bottle of wine and a $500.00 bottle of wine, or that there is no difference between a MacDonald's hamburger and five star Cordon Bleu cuisine. To a biologist, food is food, alcohol is alcohol, sound is sound, but to the refined palate, quality fare is a small piece of heaven.

Yes, like wine connoisseurs and epicureans, only a very small percentage of the people are able to fully appreciate audiophile quality sound. And like other sensory experiences, some of it can be taught, and some of it is innate ability.

Obviously, ones musical tastes is a factor, amplified music is by its nature of limited fidelity. Musical instrument amplification is chosen for its ability to create sound, rather than re-create sound, accuracy and dynamic range are rarely considerations in their selection. As noted before, music with an inherently high noise floor lacks dynamic range, which can also mask detail. Electronically generated music has no “real world” acoustic baseline from which to draw comparison, so fidelity becomes almost a moot point.

Experience is the most important factor, if you have never heard “live” music, then it is impossible to determine what is correct sound, and are left with what sounds good (to you), whi ch drops you into the realm of Mid-fi. Along with a large mental database of “live”, preferably acoustical music performance from which to draw comparison, goes training. Almost every audiophile has had at one time a mentor to explain what to listen for.
Of course the most important factors are desire and ability. To be a connoisseur of anything, takes a certain investment of time, attention, and effort, and requires a willingness to release ones preconceptions, and rely on ones senses, which is where ability comes in, if you are incapable of hearing a difference due to physical limitations, no amount of training or experience will overcome that.

Which is a long way to return to my initial statement that audio connoisseurs are a rare breed. And though the majority of people can't hear the difference, those who can, do so consistently. Just like there are wine tasters who can identify the “terroir” of a given bottle of wine, there are audiophiles who can identify specific audio components in blind tests. And though the AES considers them to be statistically insignificant, there numbers are great enough to be the backbone of an entire industry. But, that industry will die, if the producers of the source material, decide to only cater to the mass market, providing the minimum necessary quality.

Why 24 bit? To be honest, for those of us who are fans of old analog recordings (pre-digital), we would be better served by 16/384 KHz than 24/96 KHz, but that being said, for new recordings of acoustical instruments, especially large orchestral sections, the 140 db dynamic range (even though it exceeds current amplification technologies) of 24 bit is necessary to provide truly “realistic” reproduction.

It is important to remember that a recording engineer has a secondary role as historian, and it is their duty to provide as accurate a record as current technology will allow. It is of little doubt, that technology will eventually exceed current limitations and be able to fully embrace the dynamics of 24 bit recordings.

Which brings us to sample rate. Why high sample rates if people can't hear over 25 KHz? The answer is both simple and complex. The simple answer is that the human ear doesn't work like a microphone. A microphone takes all the soundwaves that hit it and convert it to a single complex electronic signal (wave). A single note on a piano, produces hundreds of soundwaves, all well within the human range of hearing, but when these soundwaves hit the microphone, it must convert them to a single electronic signal, with harmonic overtones in excess of a MegaHertz. The human ear is more like a thousand microphones each able to process the soundwaves separately producing a much more accurate picture of the original sound, and able to sum up the harmonic overtones.

So the question becomes, how much detail can the human ear hear? A friend, who I have great confidence in, did some experiments back in the 80's listening to digitized signal from an analog Master Tape (compared to a direct feed) claimed the point at which he stopped hearing a difference was 400 KHz (though it is possible that some of this may be due to the quality of DACs at the time), others have argued that the high frequency roll off of magnetic tape is to great for this to be true, but I'm will to stick to that number, especially for live recording, where the limitations are the roll off of the microphones and electronics.

So is it “snake oil”, clearly not, that is not to say that there isn't a lot of “snake oil” out there, nothing should be taken at face value, always test it for yourself, but if you can't perceive the difference, don't be so arrogant as to believe yourself to be the ultimate authority, it doesn't work for you, move on, don't  recommend it, but don't tell people who can hear a difference that they are either being conned or lying. Do all recordings need to be audiophile quality, no, should they, yes , if we are to truly respect the art being created by the musicians, especially when considering the future historical value of master recordings, I believe we should be mastering at 24/384 KHz or DSD256 (Quad DSD).


*This is why I am skeptical of people who pick their equipment based on what is popular among pop musicians, recording engineers are a different matter (as long as you understand the reasoning behind their choices), though they rarely operate to the same exacting standard as your true audiophile or your classical musician (who in my experience have been the most exacting in their audio reproduction, if they haven't given up entirely assuming quality reproduction is impossible).
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2015, 07:11:12 PM »

get an Yggy, resample all your hi-res files to 16/44 or 16/48 and abx them.
Red book is all we need...
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2015, 07:26:04 PM »

But, that industry will die, if the producers of the source material, decide to only cater to the mass market, providing the minimum necessary quality.

That's an important point. The listening devices of choice for the mass market is mostly either extremely cheap headphones (usually whatever comes in the box with a phone or DAP) or laptop speakers. Once mastering engineers made the focus of their work entirely about catering to these people exclusively, at the expense of everyone who actually cares one iota about sound quality, the justification for spending any real money on audio equipment went out the window. The more resolving your system is, the worse these records sound. That's why I have to laugh at the "HD" version of something like Morning Phase, with its cobbled together mess of MP3 sourced mixes, ridiculous bass levels, hyper loud mastering, and clipping distortion. HD my ass.

Why 24 bit? To be honest, for those of us who are fans of old analog recordings (pre-digital), we would be better served by 16/384 KHz than 24/96 KHz

I'm curious, what is your justification for this? I've seen data showing a theoretical maximum dynamic range for vinyl to be around 90dB, but very few tables and carts are likely able to actually achieve that, so digitizing at 24 as opposed to 16 is probably unnecessary. It DOES however provide headroom for post processing, and there's no harm in it. Vinyl's frequency limit is likely somewhere in the 50kHz range, which 192kHz sampling covers with plenty of room to spare. I see absolutely no need for 384kHz, all that will likely do is waste an enormous amount of storage space.

So the question becomes, how much detail can the human ear hear? A friend, who I have great confidence in, did some experiments back in the 80's listening to digitized signal from an analog Master Tape (compared to a direct feed) claimed the point at which he stopped hearing a difference was 400 KHz

Bullshit. 400kHz information was not recorded. It was not stored, and it was not reproduced. High end amplifiers may be capable of that, but they will be down drastically in level compared to 100kHz, and there are no speakers or headphones capable of reproducing 400kHz, nor do traditional microphones pick it up, nor do analog master tapes support it. It didn't exist, and so it was not heard. Dogs can't hear 400kHz, and if your friend believes he can, he should be able to hear a dog whistle clear as day.
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2015, 10:03:46 PM »

That's an important point. The listening devices of choice for the mass market is mostly either extremely cheap headphones (usually whatever comes in the box with a phone or DAP) or laptop speakers. Once mastering engineers made the focus of their work entirely about catering to these people exclusively, at the expense of everyone who actually cares one iota about sound quality, the justification for spending any real money on audio equipment went out the window. The more resolving your system is, the worse these records sound. That's why I have to laugh at the "HD" version of something like Morning Phase, with its cobbled together mess of MP3 sourced mixes, ridiculous bass levels, hyper loud mastering, and clipping distortion. HD my ass.

I'm curious, what is your justification for this? I've seen data showing a theoretical maximum dynamic range for vinyl to be around 90dB, but very few tables and carts are likely able to actually achieve that, so digitizing at 24 as opposed to 16 is probably unnecessary. It DOES however provide headroom for post processing, and there's no harm in it. Vinyl's frequency limit is likely somewhere in the 50kHz range, which 192kHz sampling covers with plenty of room to spare. I see absolutely no need for 384kHz, all that will likely do is waste an enormous amount of storage space.

Bullshit. 400kHz information was not recorded. It was not stored, and it was not reproduced. High end amplifiers may be capable of that, but they will be down drastically in level compared to 100kHz, and there are no speakers or headphones capable of reproducing 400kHz, nor do traditional microphones pick it up, nor do analog master tapes support it. It didn't exist, and so it was not heard. Dogs can't hear 400kHz, and if your friend believes he can, he should be able to hear a dog whistle clear as day.

Two points, analog recordings have roll off, roll off and cut off are not the same thing, so when an analog recording rolls off at 50kHz it doesn't hit that -90db until significantly higher. And resolution and frequency are not the same thing. Resolution is the transient  differences and harmonic overtones of multiple polyphonic sounds. Your ears are able to hear multiple sounds, even if they are the same frequency, electronics are not able to do this beyond the limitation of how many channels are recorded. Instead, the electronics interpret multiple polyphonic sounds as a single complex sine wave which appears as a much higher frequency than the tones actually being produced. 
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2015, 10:18:44 PM »

Are you fucking serious?
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2015, 10:59:08 PM »

So the question becomes, how much detail can the human ear hear? A friend, who I have great confidence in, did some experiments back in the 80's listening to digitized signal from an analog Master Tape (compared to a direct feed) claimed the point at which he stopped hearing a difference was 400 KHz (though it is possible that some of this may be due to the quality of DACs at the time), others have argued that the high frequency roll off of magnetic tape is to great for this to be true, but I'm will to stick to that number, especially for live recording, where the limitations are the roll off of the microphones and electronics.

Digital gear in the 80s, even the professional mastering stuff, did not go out to 400kHz. In fact, existing gear in the pro-world today doesn't go past 192kHz and many still work in 96kHz. Not to mention what DaveBSC said: amps and especially transducers don't have anywhere near that bandwidth. 400kHz is like AM radio frequencies.
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2015, 11:30:10 PM »

Digital gear in the 80s, even the professional mastering stuff, did not go out to 400kHz. In fact, existing gear in the pro-world today doesn't go past 192kHz and many still work in 96kHz. Not to mention what DaveBSC said: amps and especially transducers don't have anywhere near that bandwidth. 400kHz is like AM radio frequencies.

The tests were performed over at JPL using experimental DACs, I wasn't there, but I have no reason to believe he lied. He was one of the pioneers of digital audio, but since he is still in the business, and I have not socialized with him in over 20 years, I prefer not to give his name.
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2015, 11:39:58 PM »

Another problem is microphones used in the studio exhibit steep rolloff, often well before 20kHz.
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2015, 11:56:12 PM »

The tests were performed over at JPL using experimental DACs, I wasn't there, but I have no reason to believe he lied. He was one of the pioneers of digital audio, but since he is still in the business, and I have not socialized with him in over 20 years, I prefer not to give his name.

Well thank god he wasn't one of those
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Re: In Defense of High Fidelity
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2015, 11:56:56 PM »

Just to clarify, your basis for your argument is the subjective experience of your friend?
Then right after, you assert that someone should really hear it for themselves before making any conclusions?

On a side note, if you want people to read an essay you write, attempts should be made to follow essay format.
A proper introduction paragraph, and more than just 2 sentences composing your paragraphs.

I appreciate the part about you not being an audiophile, but a music lover.
But to be perfectly honest with you, I lost about 80% of the interest I had when I saw you start comparing the art of listening to wine tasting, which seems like the perfect analogy for the audiophile approach to me.
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