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Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« on: April 07, 2015, 01:36:47 AM »

I'm going to design and build this guy from scratch. The goals outlining this project go as:

  • Must be relatively small form factor. Height isn't a huge issue, but depth is if we're gonna put it on a desk
  • Flat response in near-field listening position (this is actually easier for a small monitor than it is for the big mothatruckas)
  • 2nd order (max) electrical filters
  • Achieve reasonable bass extension, but we're likely going to need to augment with a dedicated subwoofer for ultimate sub-bass extension. This is an acceptable compromise given the nature of the application
  • At the same time, it can't sound like a boomy mess even if positioning is less than ideal. This calls for a sealed cabinet
  • Must be more resolving/accurate/technically capable than your average headphone. This is so I can scoff at people who think their headphone collection is the shit

Questionable FR: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2275.msg77945.html#msg77945

Using some pricy Scandinavian drivers as shown:

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-woofers/seas-excel-w15ch001-e0037-5.5-magnesium-cone-woofer/



https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/scanspeak-soft-dome-tweeters/scanspeak-revelator-d2905/9900-00-1-tweeter-textile-dome/



Cabinets are almost finished. Need to finalize crossovers and figure out clever way to flush mount drivers with given tools.


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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 01:40:29 AM »

Yikes, that's $1k in drivers alone. So you're going with biamping and active crossovers? Any porting in the enclosure?
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2015, 01:44:03 AM »

Wow OJ... I probably won't ever be able to hear how they sound, but I'm looking forward to measurements!
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 04:07:06 AM »

Yikes, that's $1k in drivers alone. So you're going with biamping and active crossovers? Any porting in the enclosure?

No, passive and sealed
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 04:36:11 AM »

Wow, I wonder how you got those drivers? Added up still cheaper than most mid-fi headphones.
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2015, 01:22:36 PM »

Thats some badassery going down here, which sub driver would you be using? The sub drivers I imagine would make most of the cost really.
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2015, 08:18:31 PM »

How do you plan on dealing with early desk reflections?
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 10:32:42 PM »

How do you plan on dealing with early desk reflections?

Most pro monitor companies do it via a waveguide, but that's not an easy thing to DIY at all. Good performing waveguides are generally computer modeled. Assuming that's not an option in this case, I might suggest trying different tweeter surround options.

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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 06:33:05 AM »

What about using tweeters with limited vertical dispersion patterns?

Also keep in mind that the woofer might also suffer from early 'floor' reflections. The result would be severe comb effect.
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Re: Ultimate 2-way Desktop Monitor
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 05:16:51 PM »

What about using tweeters with limited vertical dispersion patterns?

Also keep in mind that the woofer might also suffer from early 'floor' reflections. The result would be severe comb effect.

Well in this particular case the tweeters are already in place, so it's a bit too late for that. There would however possibly be an advantage to using a tweeter like the RAAL 70-10D, which naturally has limited vertical dispersion. The downside is that it's over $700 for two of them. RAAL has developed a smaller and more affordable version for OEMs which is used by Ascend Acoustics and Philharmonic, but I don't think you can buy it for DIY. There are a bunch of cheap ribbons from Fountek and Hi-Vi, but they're pretty much all crap. Much more distortion from those than a good Scanspeak Revelator.

The option that I'm curious about for dealing with this is the MTM approach, which has inherently limited vertical dispersion, and no need to tilt the cabinet back to time align the drivers. I'm not sure how MTMs behave in the nearfield though.
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