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Re: Ultrasone Tio measurements
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2015, 08:52:47 PM »

Thank you!  Very informative.

At the eardrum the FR of the SPL differs tremendously from the SPL that is present just outside of the ear canal.
We do not perceive the sound via our eardrum as if the eardrum is a flat microphone.
You could say that our brain compensates for the changes that are made by the ear canal.

I realize the difference between SPL at eardrum and just outside the canal, I meant that when looking at graphs you basically have to group the headphones separately from the IEMS.
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Re: Ultrasone Tio measurements
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2015, 09:12:11 PM »

have a look: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/first-test-estimated-harman-target-response-curve-various-headphones
This is a quote from Astral Storm in the comments:
"If we were to hold to high fidelity target, the real benchmark would be an accurately recorded (as in measurement microphones) live performance. This means as close to vanilla performance as possible, making any mastering issues moot."

This makes sense, so why isn't the definition of neutral or a flat response directly correlated to this sort of replication of sound?
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Re: Ultrasone Tio measurements
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2015, 09:44:55 PM »

I realize the difference between SPL at eardrum and just outside the canal, I meant that when looking at graphs you basically have to group the headphones separately from the IEMS.

Yes, even the raw measurements of IEM's and full-sized HP's on a Manekin will not be exactly the same.
When the plots of IEM and full sized were identical they will still differ somewhat in FR and sound.

When listening to headphones we don't need any compensation at all for close to 'flat' SPL headphones, unless the FR is far from 'even'.
Some like to add crossfeed though.

The fact that compensation is needed to create plots that have a proper relation to perceived sound already says enough about how much test rigs alter the actual sound and thus should be correctly compensated for their specific errors. Not errors people erroniously think should also be compensated as well.
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Re: Ultrasone Tio measurements
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2015, 09:52:39 PM »

This is a quote from Astral Storm in the comments:
"If we were to hold to high fidelity target, the real benchmark would be an accurately recorded (as in measurement microphones) live performance. This means as close to vanilla performance as possible, making any mastering issues moot."

This makes sense, so why isn't the definition of neutral or a flat response directly correlated to this sort of replication of sound?

To me it is directly related. When a headphone measures a signal 'flat' and is reproduced 'flat' they should sound tonally the same but will still not sound the same in spatial and timing aspects even when the chain is flawless.

To accurately record music it would have to be holographic over a huge area, in other words the direction of wavefronts should be recorded as well.
This can't be done with current techniques.
The same goes for reproduction, that should be holographic as well and have the exact same SPL as the recording had and be flawless to come really close to the original.

Stereo reproduction, even when flawless, is but a very meagre representation of the soundpressure that once was during the recording.

Also NOT every one appreciates 'flat'.
Colouration of many sorts is often preferred over accurate.
Its the reason so many different headphones/speakers exist... to suit ones taste and wallet.

For me 'flat' and accurate is the way to go but don't mind some flavouring now and then depending on the recording.
IMO the recording quality is the real bottleneck closely followed by the transducers.
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Re: Ultrasone Tio measurements
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2015, 09:55:17 PM »

Perhaps a mod could move this of topic discussion (that interest me) to another thread/place to keep this thread for Tio measurements only ?
Its digressing a bit ...  ::)
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