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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2015, 02:39:03 PM »
I'd wait until Focus-A, but that's just my preference though.  Seems quite a lot on Head-Fi like Focus as well.  I value the warmer sound over any other 'benefit' the Focus pads bring.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2015, 08:32:45 AM »
Quote from: TMRaven on February 18, 2015, 02:39:03 PM
I'd wait until Focus-A, but that's just my preference though.  Seems quite a lot on Head-Fi like Focus as well.  I value the warmer sound over any other 'benefit' the Focus pads bring.

That's the way I was thinking.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to spend $40 on pads and cut them up only to probably discard them in a month when I get the Focus-A pads.

I consider the 560 nearly unlistenable in its current stock state with the stock Focus pads.  Hopefully the Focus-A pads will get them more to my liking.  And potential modding if necessary.  Otherwise these headphones won't work for me.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2015, 09:28:20 AM »
My "minimal effort" mod for the 560 was simply two pieces of soft felt (maybe 0.5"x3" ?) arranged as an X in front of the driver.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2015, 10:54:29 AM »
Well, late at night. Absolute quiet... (aside from ringing in my ears)

First try at measuring. Thanks to OJneg for supplying me with some proper tools. Pillow as coupler for now until I build something more serious over the weekend...

Measured with Focus Pads (not A) using REW. Whatever they have as default, I simply just went with that. Frequency response change doesn't seem all that drastic. Distortions seem weird, so I might have screwed up somewhere. Probably a more proper coupler and some more noise isolation is required. However, CSD seems kinda in line with what Marv has...

Modded LCD-2 measurements added for perspective.









Comments, suggestions, advices, or "boo's" welcomed as I plan to learn more, and eventually be able to use measurements as a tool to aid me in future endeavors.  :)p7

Anetode, sorry for keeping your HE-560 for so long, but I would like to try to get it closer to the modded LCD-2, which I regard as being close to "perfect". Subjectively, the LCD-2 is just that much better, though it could be bright to me sometimes (not as bad as HD800).
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2015, 03:00:53 PM »
Quote from: Hammy on February 18, 2015, 08:01:40 AM
A question for those who have modded the HE-560.

The Focus-A pads are out of stock and probably won't be back in stock for at least a month.  Should I just put my HE-560 away for a month and wait for the Focus-A pads to get back in stock?  Or should I get an extra set of regular Focus pads now and get busy with an exacto knife on them to experiment for a month?  I've got plenty of other headphones and headphone toys to keep me busy experimenting with other things.  I won't miss the new 560's for a month or two.

I don't want to be doing any mods yet that require taking things apart beyond just replacing the pads yet.  I want to experiment with the Focus-A pads on the stock headphones before doing that.  So any dis-assembly modding is going to wait till then.

If you want to try to develop a good target response while you're still waiting for Focus-A, you could also try tuning them with some equalization in the areas where they're brightest. If you feel like yours sound similar to the measurements in this thread, then you'll have an idea where to start and can start subtracting a couple dB from problem areas to see if that corrects the problem for you.

You could further compare that to using Focus-A without EQ once they come in and compare it to any modifications you make afterward. That is, if you don't want to just put away the 560 for a month. If you have something good to listen to while you wait for the pads to come up again, then you can just listen to that.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2015, 05:34:38 PM »
Quote from: Bill-p on February 27, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
Comments, suggestions, advices, or "boo's" welcomed as I plan to learn more, and eventually be able to use measurements as a tool to aid me in future endeavors.  :)p7
Nice, it would be interesting to see your XB950 & ATH-ES10 results too!
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2015, 08:53:43 PM »
Quote from: Bill-p on February 27, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
Anetode, sorry for keeping your HE-560 for so long, but I would like to try to get it closer to the modded LCD-2, which I regard as being close to "perfect". Subjectively, the LCD-2 is just that much better, though it could be bright to me sometimes (not as bad as HD800).

Take your time, it looks like the 3-4khz region could still use some taming.

Dat LCD-2 graph tho  headbang
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM »
Quote from: anetode on February 27, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
Take your time, it looks like the 3-4khz region could still use some taming.

Dat LCD-2 graph tho  headbang

The 3-4kHz region is specifically a Focus pad issue... AFAIK Marv already showed that with past measurements.

But yeah these aren't nearly as smooth of a FR trend as Audezes in the upper midrange, just the nature of the drivers I guess.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2015, 09:54:11 PM »
I know you still gotta build a coupler for your mic, but the LCD2's treble looks like it would hurt my ears if we were to ignore that and go off those graphs. :)
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2015, 01:01:57 AM »
Yeah, dat LCD-2 indeed.  :)p1

It does sound kinda bright, Hans. Not piercing or too much, but slightly bright. I'll see if I can eliminate that in the coming days. It'll probably be perfect after I smooth out that peak... but for now, I'm more concentrated on making the HE-560 more like that.

Also, the LCD-2 has a much lower noise floor than the HE-560 and Z7 from the rest of CSD (which I didn't show), which leads me to believe that this may be why it's more resolving than the other 2 headphones by a good margin.

Sony MDR-Z7 measurements not shown because I'd love to see Tyll's first and make sure I'm not going crazy.
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